Here's a question I'd be grateful for some responses to. Humorous responses are appreciated, but it's a serious question that I've been pondering, and fundamental to site preservation and acquisition.
How do landowners benefit by letting us launch from (or land on) their property?
Ideally, the benefits can't be intangible (e.g. only apparent over time). They need to be benefits that can be presented to landowners, up-front, in a way that gets them interested.
I ask partly because there's always a lot of discussion about landowners' fears of liability and how to overcome that. But clearly not being held liable isn't (or shouldn't be) enough by itself. There needs to be a "hook," something else to persuade landowners that having their property associated with hang gliding/paragliding is a good thing.
Is this possible? Anyone have any thoughts? Or does the landowner only get to pat him/herself on the back for being a nice person?
Here are some initial thoughts...
- income? (yes, I know we can't pay to use a site or the Recreational Use Statutes don't apply)
- assistance with land maintenance? (e.g. cutting the grass, repairing fences, whatever)
- good PR? (doubtful an individual would care, though businesses might)
- tax reduction? (any creative ways of reducing their property tax burdens?)
- free hang gliding tandems or lessons? (okay, we might be scratching here, but some might be interested!)
- recognition by the state for allowing recreational use of their land? (most states want landowners to open their land for recreational use)
Scott
How do landowners benefit?
Moderator: CHGPA BOD
How do landowners benefit?
Annually, we give our landowners free CHGPA calendars (so they remember
us, and the fact that we are out there making good use of their
generousity), as well as some kind of Thanksgiving or Christmas gift
(turkey, or fruit basket).
Some of them enjoy our company, as we stop in to visit with them and
tell flying stories after a good day (Anna Ryan and Mr. Fishburn,
before they passed away, and Emma Jane still).
~Ralph
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from: Scott (09/13/2005 20:26)
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Here's a question I'd be grateful for some responses to. Humorous
responses are appreciated, but it's a serious question that I've been
pondering, and fundamental to site preservation and acquisition.
How do landowners benefit by letting us launch from (or land on) their
property?
Ideally, the benefits can't be intangible (e.g. only apparent over
time). They need to be benefits that can be presented to landowners,
up-front, in a way that gets them interested.
I ask partly because there's always a lot of discussion about
landowners' fears of liability and how to overcome that. But clearly
not being held liable isn't (or shouldn't be) enough by itself. There
needs to be a "hook," something else to persuade landowners that having
their property associated with hang gliding/paragliding is a good
thing.
Is this possible? Anyone have any thoughts? Or does the landowner only
get to pat him/herself on the back for being a nice person?
Here are some initial thoughts...
- income? (yes, I know we can't pay to use a site or the Recreational
Use Statutes don't apply)
- assistance with land maintenance? (e.g. cutting the grass, repairing
fences, whatever)
- good PR? (doubtful an individual would care, though businesses might)
- tax reduction? (any creative ways of reducing their property tax
burdens?)
- free hang gliding tandems or lessons? (okay, we might be scratching
here, but some might be interested!)
- recognition by the state for allowing recreational use of their land?
(most states want landowners to open their land for recreational use)
Scott
us, and the fact that we are out there making good use of their
generousity), as well as some kind of Thanksgiving or Christmas gift
(turkey, or fruit basket).
Some of them enjoy our company, as we stop in to visit with them and
tell flying stories after a good day (Anna Ryan and Mr. Fishburn,
before they passed away, and Emma Jane still).
~Ralph
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from: Scott (09/13/2005 20:26)
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Here's a question I'd be grateful for some responses to. Humorous
responses are appreciated, but it's a serious question that I've been
pondering, and fundamental to site preservation and acquisition.
How do landowners benefit by letting us launch from (or land on) their
property?
Ideally, the benefits can't be intangible (e.g. only apparent over
time). They need to be benefits that can be presented to landowners,
up-front, in a way that gets them interested.
I ask partly because there's always a lot of discussion about
landowners' fears of liability and how to overcome that. But clearly
not being held liable isn't (or shouldn't be) enough by itself. There
needs to be a "hook," something else to persuade landowners that having
their property associated with hang gliding/paragliding is a good
thing.
Is this possible? Anyone have any thoughts? Or does the landowner only
get to pat him/herself on the back for being a nice person?
Here are some initial thoughts...
- income? (yes, I know we can't pay to use a site or the Recreational
Use Statutes don't apply)
- assistance with land maintenance? (e.g. cutting the grass, repairing
fences, whatever)
- good PR? (doubtful an individual would care, though businesses might)
- tax reduction? (any creative ways of reducing their property tax
burdens?)
- free hang gliding tandems or lessons? (okay, we might be scratching
here, but some might be interested!)
- recognition by the state for allowing recreational use of their land?
(most states want landowners to open their land for recreational use)
Scott
How do landowners benefit?
The inestimable privilege of having this unique activity take place
right before their eyes! - Hugh
On 13 Sep 2005, at 20:31, Ralph Sickinger (R2) wrote:
>
> Annually, we give our landowners free CHGPA calendars (so they
> remember
> us, and the fact that we are out there making good use of their
> generousity), as well as some kind of Thanksgiving or Christmas gift
> (turkey, or fruit basket).
>
> Some of them enjoy our company, as we stop in to visit with them and
> tell flying stories after a good day (Anna Ryan and Mr. Fishburn,
> before they passed away, and Emma Jane still).
>
> ~Ralph
>
>
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> from: Scott (09/13/2005 20:26)
> ================================================================
>
> Here's a question I'd be grateful for some responses to. Humorous
> responses are appreciated, but it's a serious question that I've been
> pondering, and fundamental to site preservation and acquisition.
>
> How do landowners benefit by letting us launch from (or land on) their
> property?
>
> Ideally, the benefits can't be intangible (e.g. only apparent over
> time). They need to be benefits that can be presented to landowners,
> up-front, in a way that gets them interested.
>
> I ask partly because there's always a lot of discussion about
> landowners' fears of liability and how to overcome that. But clearly
> not being held liable isn't (or shouldn't be) enough by itself. There
> needs to be a "hook," something else to persuade landowners that
> having
> their property associated with hang gliding/paragliding is a good
> thing.
>
> Is this possible? Anyone have any thoughts? Or does the landowner only
> get to pat him/herself on the back for being a nice person?
>
> Here are some initial thoughts...
>
> - income? (yes, I know we can't pay to use a site or the Recreational
> Use Statutes don't apply)
> - assistance with land maintenance? (e.g. cutting the grass, repairing
> fences, whatever)
> - good PR? (doubtful an individual would care, though businesses
> might)
> - tax reduction? (any creative ways of reducing their property tax
> burdens?)
> - free hang gliding tandems or lessons? (okay, we might be scratching
> here, but some might be interested!)
> - recognition by the state for allowing recreational use of their
> land?
> (most states want landowners to open their land for recreational use)
>
> Scott
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
right before their eyes! - Hugh
On 13 Sep 2005, at 20:31, Ralph Sickinger (R2) wrote:
>
> Annually, we give our landowners free CHGPA calendars (so they
> remember
> us, and the fact that we are out there making good use of their
> generousity), as well as some kind of Thanksgiving or Christmas gift
> (turkey, or fruit basket).
>
> Some of them enjoy our company, as we stop in to visit with them and
> tell flying stories after a good day (Anna Ryan and Mr. Fishburn,
> before they passed away, and Emma Jane still).
>
> ~Ralph
>
>
> ================================================================
> from: Scott (09/13/2005 20:26)
> ================================================================
>
> Here's a question I'd be grateful for some responses to. Humorous
> responses are appreciated, but it's a serious question that I've been
> pondering, and fundamental to site preservation and acquisition.
>
> How do landowners benefit by letting us launch from (or land on) their
> property?
>
> Ideally, the benefits can't be intangible (e.g. only apparent over
> time). They need to be benefits that can be presented to landowners,
> up-front, in a way that gets them interested.
>
> I ask partly because there's always a lot of discussion about
> landowners' fears of liability and how to overcome that. But clearly
> not being held liable isn't (or shouldn't be) enough by itself. There
> needs to be a "hook," something else to persuade landowners that
> having
> their property associated with hang gliding/paragliding is a good
> thing.
>
> Is this possible? Anyone have any thoughts? Or does the landowner only
> get to pat him/herself on the back for being a nice person?
>
> Here are some initial thoughts...
>
> - income? (yes, I know we can't pay to use a site or the Recreational
> Use Statutes don't apply)
> - assistance with land maintenance? (e.g. cutting the grass, repairing
> fences, whatever)
> - good PR? (doubtful an individual would care, though businesses
> might)
> - tax reduction? (any creative ways of reducing their property tax
> burdens?)
> - free hang gliding tandems or lessons? (okay, we might be scratching
> here, but some might be interested!)
> - recognition by the state for allowing recreational use of their
> land?
> (most states want landowners to open their land for recreational use)
>
> Scott
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Re: How do landowners benefit?
Frankly, unless we create appropriate incentives, the vast majority of landowners will view us as a liability and a nuisance.mcelrah wrote:The inestimable privilege of having this unique activity take place
right before their eyes! - Hugh
So ... what can we do to make it less of a nuisance and liability, so we can continue to enjoy the privilege of landing on private property?
'Spark