'High' and 'Low' are relative. East coast pilots tend to go upright low
in comparison to west coast pilots. If you go upright before you hit
final, that's too high for Hyner. If you stay prone until you've
established good speed and made it through the tree-top turbulence, then
you can transition to upright. Waiting until after you've done a
round-out is too low for my taste, though some people advocate it for a
thermally field.
Brian Vant-Hull
301-646-1149
On Tue, 28 Jun 2005, David Bodner wrote:
> Rounding out 2' AGL sounds awfully low to me.=A0 I tend to go upright qui=
te a bit higher (though I'll heed BVH's advice at Hyner this weekend.=A0 Ya=
y! I'm going to Hyner!), and I'm rounding out with my feet about 3' AGL.=A0=
If the field is poppy, I'll have one hand on the basetube to pull in extra=
hard before roundout.=A0 Then again, I do land weird.
> On Jun 28, 2005, at 8:05 AM, Scott wrote:
>
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Matt, those are all minor issues compared to not flaring early enough.?? Most pilots have a dysfunctional aversion to the glider climbing it a good flare.? I fly with one guy who never has his hands much above the 1/3 mark and he is the best lander I know.? The hands high, body angle, etc all make a difference in the “Power Mush” flaring technique.
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Kev C
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From: Matthew [mailto:adventuretales@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 10:46 PM
To: hg_forum@chgpa.org
Subject: Fly-in pictures
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I'm the first unknown in the blue glider with the fin. Quite a bellyflop. Karen had been having problems with her landings a while back and I told her then that she wasn't getting upright enough and not getting her arms up high enough on the downtubes just before flaring. If you're semi-prone and too low on the DTs, as we all know, you just push yourself backwards in the control frame and there's no flare. Plus, you're feet aren't under you so landing on your feet is then even harder. You can see in the pics of her that she is totally upright and has a great landing. Whereas I'm semiprone, behind the glider and my arms are too low on the DTs. Plus if you notice the windsock, I'm landing crosswind. It had been blowing out of the SW when I turned on final but then abruptly switched to the SE. I HAVE WITNESSES! Still, that's no excuse. I should have gotten upright earlier and gotten my legs underneath me as I'm always telling everyone. That way you can RUN if you end up crosswind or in a downwind situation with lots of ground speed.
Matthew
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Kev C
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From: Matthew [mailto:adventuretales@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 10:46 PM
To: hg_forum@chgpa.org
Subject: Fly-in pictures
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I'm the first unknown in the blue glider with the fin. Quite a bellyflop. Karen had been having problems with her landings a while back and I told her then that she wasn't getting upright enough and not getting her arms up high enough on the downtubes just before flaring. If you're semi-prone and too low on the DTs, as we all know, you just push yourself backwards in the control frame and there's no flare. Plus, you're feet aren't under you so landing on your feet is then even harder. You can see in the pics of her that she is totally upright and has a great landing. Whereas I'm semiprone, behind the glider and my arms are too low on the DTs. Plus if you notice the windsock, I'm landing crosswind. It had been blowing out of the SW when I turned on final but then abruptly switched to the SE. I HAVE WITNESSES! Still, that's no excuse. I should have gotten upright earlier and gotten my legs underneath me as I'm always telling everyone. That way you can RUN if you end up crosswind or in a downwind situation with lots of ground speed.
Matthew
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Scott, I advocate flaring earlier with a test flare.? Adjust flare speed according to how the glider responds.? Climbing a little is part of a full stall.? If the glider doesn’t climb it is already over mushed.? That is why a late attempt at a flare needs to be so vigorous to accomplish any slowing down of the wing.? Glider type and VG setting all affect how the glider responds but most pilots compensate for a late flare with an overly zealous shove.? Landing should be relaxing and easy, just like flying.
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Kev C
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From: Scott [mailto:sw@shadepine.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 6:24 PM
To: hg_forum@chgpa.org
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heaviek wrote:
Matt, those are all minor issues compared to not flaring early enough.?? Most pilots have a dysfunctional aversion to the glider climbing it a good flare.?
That's true Kevin! Througout my training I've been a bit paranoid about parachuting 15' up, then crashing down.
So are you suggesting that flaring earlier and slower is a better way? Would that be more of a "slowly decelerate and pitch up to a full-stop" approach...instead of a "slam on the brakes in a sudden, full-pitch-up-at-the-last-second" approach.
Or are you saying we should all just get better at parachuting?
Scott
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Kev C
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From: Scott [mailto:sw@shadepine.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 6:24 PM
To: hg_forum@chgpa.org
Subject: Fly-in pictures
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heaviek wrote:
Matt, those are all minor issues compared to not flaring early enough.?? Most pilots have a dysfunctional aversion to the glider climbing it a good flare.?
That's true Kevin! Througout my training I've been a bit paranoid about parachuting 15' up, then crashing down.
So are you suggesting that flaring earlier and slower is a better way? Would that be more of a "slowly decelerate and pitch up to a full-stop" approach...instead of a "slam on the brakes in a sudden, full-pitch-up-at-the-last-second" approach. Or are you saying we should all just get better at parachuting?
Scott
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Late entry on Brian's post about not going upright too early at Hyner:
what's bad about going upright AND keeping speed up with a
on-up/one-down grip? Seems analogous to landing a high performance
airplane: dirty up (increase drag) and add power (pull in) to maintain
correct speed. Result is an "enhanced" sink rate with plenty of
control, right? - Hugh
On 28 Jun 2005, at 09:45, Matthew wrote:
> Brian,
>
> I'm not talking about going upright early. I'm talking about going
> upright. Just moving your hands to the DTs is not going upright. When
> I do it right I bring one hand up and go into turb landing approach at
> about the point where I round out. I pull back in slightly to keep my
> speed and bring my hips forward. And then I bring my second hand up,
> hold to keep the speed and then ALLOW the glider to slow to trim. Then
> just before flaring I bring my hands up to my shoulders and push the
> glider up and behind me and not out and away from me. I do this the
> right way about 2/3 of the time.
>
> Matthew
>
>
>
>
what's bad about going upright AND keeping speed up with a
on-up/one-down grip? Seems analogous to landing a high performance
airplane: dirty up (increase drag) and add power (pull in) to maintain
correct speed. Result is an "enhanced" sink rate with plenty of
control, right? - Hugh
On 28 Jun 2005, at 09:45, Matthew wrote:
> Brian,
>
> I'm not talking about going upright early. I'm talking about going
> upright. Just moving your hands to the DTs is not going upright. When
> I do it right I bring one hand up and go into turb landing approach at
> about the point where I round out. I pull back in slightly to keep my
> speed and bring my hips forward. And then I bring my second hand up,
> hold to keep the speed and then ALLOW the glider to slow to trim. Then
> just before flaring I bring my hands up to my shoulders and push the
> glider up and behind me and not out and away from me. I do this the
> right way about 2/3 of the time.
>
> Matthew
>
>
>
>
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Myself, I definitely do part of final one hand up, one down. There may be
assymetrical control problems if you do most of the pattern this way. I
dunno...let someone with more experience address that.
Brian Vant-Hull
301-646-1149
On Tue, 5 Jul 2005 mcelrah@verizon.net wrote:
>
> Late entry on Brian's post about not going upright too early at Hyner:
> what's bad about going upright AND keeping speed up with a
> on-up/one-down grip? Seems analogous to landing a high performance
> airplane: dirty up (increase drag) and add power (pull in) to maintain
> correct speed. Result is an "enhanced" sink rate with plenty of
> control, right? - Hugh
>
assymetrical control problems if you do most of the pattern this way. I
dunno...let someone with more experience address that.
Brian Vant-Hull
301-646-1149
On Tue, 5 Jul 2005 mcelrah@verizon.net wrote:
>
> Late entry on Brian's post about not going upright too early at Hyner:
> what's bad about going upright AND keeping speed up with a
> on-up/one-down grip? Seems analogous to landing a high performance
> airplane: dirty up (increase drag) and add power (pull in) to maintain
> correct speed. Result is an "enhanced" sink rate with plenty of
> control, right? - Hugh
>