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Grumpy old men (and women) stay smart, study hints

By Joe Burris

sun staff

Originally published September 24, 2006

Are you a forty-something grouch who's first to shout invectives in a slow-moving checkout lane? A youngster who mocks your dad's wise counsel? A graduate student known for driving the renowned professor crazy with sardonic verbiage?

Take hope: Today, you might be dismissed as a smart-aleck. In your old age, you might be viewed as smarter than average.

Or at least that's what Morgan State psychology professor Jacqueline Bichsel suggests.

She recently co-authored a study that invites the conclusion that upon reaching 60, disagreeable people maintain a higher level of intelligence than more easy-going seniors.

"These individuals have a higher vocabulary," she said. "They have a better use of words, a better knowledge of facts."

It also suggests that those dismissed as grumpy old men and fiesty old ladies are often smarter in some ways than the young. The study's findings fly in the face of notions that intellect and memory fade with age - and that has made it a hot topic in the psychology world.

Bichsel, 40, who recently joined the Morgan State faculty, says publication of her study has produced an unanticipated 15 minutes of research fame; her work has drawn attention around the world.

"People are just intrigued by the fact that disagreeableness can be a good thing, particularly in old age," said Bichsel, who began the research as an assistant professor at the Harrisburg campus of Penn State, along with Thomas J. Baker, a graduate student in psychology at York University in Toronto.

The two tested 381 adults (239 females, 142 males) age 19-89. Education ranged from some high school to graduate degrees.

Study participants were administered two tests: One was a personality assessment designed to measure five major personality traits: openness to experience, continuousness, extroversion, agreeableness and neuroticism.

The other measures general intellectual ability and specific cognitive abilities. It covers such areas as phonetic awareness, long-term memory retrieval and general intellectual ability.

"We were actually looking to see if any personality traits were predictors of intelligence, either in older ages or younger ages," she said. "One of the things we found is that the intelligence factor that was best predicted by personality was general intelligence.

"That's the type of intelligence that consists of knowing facts, vocabulary, basically the same kind of intelligence you'd use if you were playing Jeopardy."

The results: Adults age 19-60 did not outperform those over 60 in any of the cognitive ability measures. Their results were comparable to those of some participants over 60.

Yet a third group of those over 60 posted results that were superior to their counterparts in age as well as to the younger group.

Moreover, Bichsel wrote, "These results suggest that superior, crystallized ability is relatively strongly associated with low agreeableness scores, meaning that older individuals who have a tendency toward being unfriendly and uncooperative maintain higher levels of breadth and depth of general knowledge."

The study does not measure cause and effect but correlation, so you can't be certain about reasons for the results.

Still, Bichsel speculated, "What we expect is that when individuals are younger, it's openness to experience that allows us to gain all this knowledge. So you're more open to new experiences, new things, and those individuals at younger ages tend to gain more knowledge.

"But then openness as you get older probably isn't as important since you've spend most of your life already attaining the knowledge.

"What appears to be most important in these older ages is your ability to be a skeptic, to be disagreeable, to go against the crowd, engage in debate, all those things that are associated with disagreeableness.

It sort of keeps your mind sharp to have some of those traits," she added. "If you think about it, if you engage in debate you have to use words to make your point. That's what a disagreeable person does. They like to make their point, so they're going to seek out words to help them do that."

Yet that doesn't mean that if you're 60 or younger and prone to be pushed around, standing up for yourself more often now will ensure you'll hold on to your smarts.

"What research has shown is that personality doesn't change a lot during the lifespan," said Bichsel. "And no single experience is going to change a person's personality."

Bichsell presented her findings at the American Psychological Association meeting in New Orleans on Aug. 10 and found many in agreement.

Scores of people approached her afterward saying that it validated their own disagreeableness.

But not everyone is comfortable with the findings.

"The unfortunate interpretation of Bichsel's study is that it's good for older people to be cranky, and I feel that it reinforces those ageist stereotypes," said Susan K. Whitbourne, a University of Massachusetts psychology professor.

She added that the study examined two correlated factors, personality and intelligence, "and it is impossible to know what causes what, or if both factors are related to some third, unmeasured factor, such as amount of education.

"Secondly," she said, "we don't know if the relationship between personality and IQ are different for the different age groups because they always were that way or because there was some function of getting older that made being less agreeable related to higher intelligence.

"Third, '60 and older' is hardly 'old.' Sixty-year-olds are really different from 85-year-olds, and you can't really put them in the same group."

Dr. Philip Ackerman, a Georgia Tech psychology professor, also questions possible conclusions from the study, arguing that while there are relationships between personality, hunger for knowledge and memory rentention, they are not large in scope.

"Domains such as critical thinking, at least in terms of abstract problem-solving, are not much affected by personality traits," he said, "but what knowledge one acquires throughout the adult years is more related to personality."

Ackerman said that personality and interests direct an individual's investment of time and effort toward or away from learning.

"For example," he said, "there is a small, negative association between extroversion and crystallized intelligence - the underlying thinking about this is that extroverts would rather interact with other people, and introverts would rather stay home and, for example, read a book, all other things being equal."

Still Bichsel stands by her findings. In response to Whitbourne's ageist stereotypes assertion, she said, "I would have to disagree. I feel it's just the opposite. ... The fact that disagreeableness can be viewed as a good thing negates the stereotypes."

She added a personal note - that she, too, tends to score high on the disagreeable side, as service technicians tardy in installing her phone and cable discovered.

"I have no qualms arguing with people over the phone to get this done," she said. "You hope that this trait, which a lot of people view as a negative, will do you some good at some point."
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... low agreeableness scores, meaning that older individuals who have a tendency toward being unfriendly and uncooperative maintain higher levels of breadth and depth of general knowledge."

"What appears to be most important in these older ages is your ability to be a skeptic, to be disagreeable, to go against the crowd, engage in debate, all those things that are associated with disagreeableness.
not Trying to be disagreeable here (some things are effortless :( )
but dang, marco!
'guess i shoulda been more respectful!
you must be a friggin genius! :wink: :D
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marco,:idea:
dinner and a movie on me!! ( with marc )
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Post by Marco Zee »

Let's see, I am not THAT old, I am occasionally disagreeable, but I am not grumpy at all, nor am I genius, but thanks for the faux praise.
And I'll take ya up on dinner some time, but do we have to bring Marc (just kidding bro', u r welcome to join us :wink: )?
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