The February USHGA mag had an article advertising a new national HG/PG
site and travel guide - and asking for organizations to pony up their
site info (by 15 March).
Are we going to honor this request? (I refer you to the article for
rebuttals of likely objections.) One thing that does bother me is that
they seem to be off-loading the chore of inputting the info onto
volunteer contributors - unless there's a way to just dump a softcopy
of our site guide onto their website. What say you, Christy? - Hugh
National site and travel guide
Moderator: CHGPA BOD
National site and travel guide
The February USHGA mag had an article advertising a new national HG/PG
site and travel guide - and asking for organizations to pony up their
site info (by 15 March).
Are we going to honor this request? (I refer you to the article for
rebuttals of likely objections.) One thing that does bother me is that
they seem to be off-loading the chore of inputting the info onto
volunteer contributors - unless there's a way to just dump a softcopy
of our site guide onto their website. What say you, Christy? - Hugh
site and travel guide - and asking for organizations to pony up their
site info (by 15 March).
Are we going to honor this request? (I refer you to the article for
rebuttals of likely objections.) One thing that does bother me is that
they seem to be off-loading the chore of inputting the info onto
volunteer contributors - unless there's a way to just dump a softcopy
of our site guide onto their website. What say you, Christy? - Hugh
National Site Guide
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!!\
Matthew
Matthew
National site and travel guide
WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? Monosyllabic binary replies - however often
repeated and no matter how many exclamation points they carry - are
decidedly uninformative. Read the article and then state your
objections. - Hugh
On 4 Mar 2005, at 23:11, Matthew wrote:
> NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!!\
>
> Matthew
>
>
>
>
>
repeated and no matter how many exclamation points they carry - are
decidedly uninformative. Read the article and then state your
objections. - Hugh
On 4 Mar 2005, at 23:11, Matthew wrote:
> NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!!\
>
> Matthew
>
>
>
>
>
No,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no has 9 syllables.
I would like20% of the profit to give them our site guide information.
I would like an insurance policy stating anyone that kills themselves on our site is their responsibility.
I would like them to buy all our L+L's so we can not loose them.
Further more if we did give them our information I would like the guide to state all of our sites are closed and need a local to fly with them first.
(I do not think you can adequatley state the slow speed limit on the road in front of Bills Hill where the farmer gets mad, we can't control that now!)
I agree with Matthews post.
joe
This is definately a club decision. (Hey Mark C, do we have a club business forum yet so we can take this non-flying stuff off this forum)
I would like20% of the profit to give them our site guide information.
I would like an insurance policy stating anyone that kills themselves on our site is their responsibility.
I would like them to buy all our L+L's so we can not loose them.
Further more if we did give them our information I would like the guide to state all of our sites are closed and need a local to fly with them first.
(I do not think you can adequatley state the slow speed limit on the road in front of Bills Hill where the farmer gets mad, we can't control that now!)
I agree with Matthews post.
joe
This is definately a club decision. (Hey Mark C, do we have a club business forum yet so we can take this non-flying stuff off this forum)
joe b
hanging<10
hanging<10
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Danny Brotto
- Posts: 709
- Joined: Mon Feb 14, 2005 9:29 pm
Agreeded... no...
Agree with Mathew. This same thing came up a dozen or so years ago and the issues then are the same as the issues now. What is to be gained by the mid-Atlantic pilots by publishing the information on ?our? sites? The occasional passer-through contributes to a flying fee? The downside is huge as an infraction of protocol may result in loss of a site.
I suspect most landowners would not want their sites/properties published in a national guide.
There was a period in my flying career where I was traveling and flying lots of different sites in different parts of the US. I would contact the local pilots via the local club or contact people via USHGA referal. All of the local pilots were accommodating and quite open about sharing their sites with me after I contacted and established myself with them personally. These contacts sometimes resulted in rides to the site, glider loans, and accommodations at pilot?s homes. Likewise I?ve had dozen?s of pilots who, in town for business, etc., have contacted me to fly the local sites. I've alwyas been able to hook them up and get them flying during their visits. These pilots tracked me down, referred by USHGA or word-of-mouth. Prior introduction goes a long way to establishing a rapport with your hosts.
Thanks Christy for establishing and maintaining a site guide for our local sites. This guide is by and large distributed to local, known pilots. We cannot control the audience of a national guide.
Alternatively, we could participate in a national site guide if directions to the sites were not included. Contact points (only) for the sites would allow the passer-through to inquire and establish themselves and their credentials.
It?s one thing to let someone into your home after they've knocked on your door and quite another to leave your doors wide open even when you are not home. It?s a Pandora?s box? let?s not go there!
Danny Brotto
I suspect most landowners would not want their sites/properties published in a national guide.
There was a period in my flying career where I was traveling and flying lots of different sites in different parts of the US. I would contact the local pilots via the local club or contact people via USHGA referal. All of the local pilots were accommodating and quite open about sharing their sites with me after I contacted and established myself with them personally. These contacts sometimes resulted in rides to the site, glider loans, and accommodations at pilot?s homes. Likewise I?ve had dozen?s of pilots who, in town for business, etc., have contacted me to fly the local sites. I've alwyas been able to hook them up and get them flying during their visits. These pilots tracked me down, referred by USHGA or word-of-mouth. Prior introduction goes a long way to establishing a rapport with your hosts.
Thanks Christy for establishing and maintaining a site guide for our local sites. This guide is by and large distributed to local, known pilots. We cannot control the audience of a national guide.
Alternatively, we could participate in a national site guide if directions to the sites were not included. Contact points (only) for the sites would allow the passer-through to inquire and establish themselves and their credentials.
It?s one thing to let someone into your home after they've knocked on your door and quite another to leave your doors wide open even when you are not home. It?s a Pandora?s box? let?s not go there!
Danny Brotto
National site and travel guide
I like Danny's alternative idea of including general information in the
national site guide. Make sure visitors have to contact a local before
they can find our sites.
On Saturday, March 5, 2005, at 08:14 AM, Danny Brotto wrote:
> Agree with Mathew. This same thing came up a dozen or so years ago and
> the issues then are the same as the issues now. What is to be gained
> by the mid-Atlantic pilots by publishing the information on ?our?
> sites? The occasional passer-through contributes to a flying fee? The
> downside is huge as an infraction of protocol may result in loss of a
> site.
>
> I suspect most landowners would not want their sites/properties
> published in a national guide.
>
> There was a period in my flying career where I was traveling and
> flying lots of different sites in different parts of the US. I would
> contact the local pilots via the local club or contact people via
> USHGA referal. All of the local pilots were accommodating and quite
> open about sharing their sites with me after I contacted and
> established myself with them personally. These contacts sometimes
> resulted in rides to the site, glider loans, and accommodations at
> pilot?s homes. Likewise I?ve had dozen?s of pilots who, in town for
> business, etc., have contacted me to fly the local sites. I've alwyas
> been able to hook them up and get them flying during their visits.
> These pilots tracked me down, referred by USHGA or word-of-mouth.
> Prior introduction goes a long way to establishing a rapport with your
> hosts.
>
> Thanks Christy for establishing and maintaining a site guide for our
> local sites. This guide is by and large distributed to local, known
> pilots. We cannot control the audience of a national guide.
>
> Alternatively, we could participate in a national site guide if
> directions to the sites were not included. Contact points (only) for
> the sites would allow the passer-through to inquire and establish
> themselves and their credentials.
>
> It?s one thing to let someone into your home after they've knocked on
> your door and quite another to leave your doors wide open even when
> you are not home. It?s a Pandora?s box? let?s not go there!
>
> Danny Brotto
>
>
>
>
national site guide. Make sure visitors have to contact a local before
they can find our sites.
On Saturday, March 5, 2005, at 08:14 AM, Danny Brotto wrote:
> Agree with Mathew. This same thing came up a dozen or so years ago and
> the issues then are the same as the issues now. What is to be gained
> by the mid-Atlantic pilots by publishing the information on ?our?
> sites? The occasional passer-through contributes to a flying fee? The
> downside is huge as an infraction of protocol may result in loss of a
> site.
>
> I suspect most landowners would not want their sites/properties
> published in a national guide.
>
> There was a period in my flying career where I was traveling and
> flying lots of different sites in different parts of the US. I would
> contact the local pilots via the local club or contact people via
> USHGA referal. All of the local pilots were accommodating and quite
> open about sharing their sites with me after I contacted and
> established myself with them personally. These contacts sometimes
> resulted in rides to the site, glider loans, and accommodations at
> pilot?s homes. Likewise I?ve had dozen?s of pilots who, in town for
> business, etc., have contacted me to fly the local sites. I've alwyas
> been able to hook them up and get them flying during their visits.
> These pilots tracked me down, referred by USHGA or word-of-mouth.
> Prior introduction goes a long way to establishing a rapport with your
> hosts.
>
> Thanks Christy for establishing and maintaining a site guide for our
> local sites. This guide is by and large distributed to local, known
> pilots. We cannot control the audience of a national guide.
>
> Alternatively, we could participate in a national site guide if
> directions to the sites were not included. Contact points (only) for
> the sites would allow the passer-through to inquire and establish
> themselves and their credentials.
>
> It?s one thing to let someone into your home after they've knocked on
> your door and quite another to leave your doors wide open even when
> you are not home. It?s a Pandora?s box? let?s not go there!
>
> Danny Brotto
>
>
>
>
National site and travel guide
Let me emphasize that I do not have a dog in this fight. Having said
that, the idea of a national site guide appeals to me and I will buy
one when it comes out, whether mid-atlantic sites are in it or not (I
have OUR site guide already). The point about profit bears
examination: do the compilers of the guide deserve some remuneration
for their efforts? Will there be much profit to fight over? On
insurance: doesn't the USHGA policy answer that? Don't understand the
part about L&L - what? On the final point: seems like the article
stated site protocol would be included and precise locations of
sensitive sites could be suppressed. Are visiting west coast pilots so
much less responsible than visitors from closer who get the
mid-atlantic site guide? - Hugh
On 5 Mar 2005, at 07:54, hanging3 wrote:
> No,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no has 9 syllables.
>
> I would like20% of the profit to give them our site guide information.
>
> I would like an insurance policy stating anyone that kills themselves
> on our site is their responsibility.
>
> I would like them to buy all our L+L's so we can not loose them.
>
> Further more if we did give them our information I would like the
> guide to state all of our sites are closed and need a local to fly
> with them first.
> (I do not think you can adequatley state the slow speed limit on the
> road in front of Bills Hill where the farmer gets mad, we can't
> control that now!)
>
> I agree with Matthews post.
>
> joe
>
> This is definately a club decision. (Hey Mark C, do we have a club
> business forum yet so we can take this non-flying stuff off this
> forum)
>
>
>
> joe
>
>
>
>
that, the idea of a national site guide appeals to me and I will buy
one when it comes out, whether mid-atlantic sites are in it or not (I
have OUR site guide already). The point about profit bears
examination: do the compilers of the guide deserve some remuneration
for their efforts? Will there be much profit to fight over? On
insurance: doesn't the USHGA policy answer that? Don't understand the
part about L&L - what? On the final point: seems like the article
stated site protocol would be included and precise locations of
sensitive sites could be suppressed. Are visiting west coast pilots so
much less responsible than visitors from closer who get the
mid-atlantic site guide? - Hugh
On 5 Mar 2005, at 07:54, hanging3 wrote:
> No,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no has 9 syllables.
>
> I would like20% of the profit to give them our site guide information.
>
> I would like an insurance policy stating anyone that kills themselves
> on our site is their responsibility.
>
> I would like them to buy all our L+L's so we can not loose them.
>
> Further more if we did give them our information I would like the
> guide to state all of our sites are closed and need a local to fly
> with them first.
> (I do not think you can adequatley state the slow speed limit on the
> road in front of Bills Hill where the farmer gets mad, we can't
> control that now!)
>
> I agree with Matthews post.
>
> joe
>
> This is definately a club decision. (Hey Mark C, do we have a club
> business forum yet so we can take this non-flying stuff off this
> forum)
>
>
>
> joe
>
>
>
>
National site and travel guide
Honestly, class, how do you expect to have a reasonable discussion if
no one has done the assigned reading!? The article says site
directions can be suppressed. I too have benefited from the personal
approach when visiting other areas. Don't see how a national guide
detracts from that. - Hugh
On 5 Mar 2005, at 08:14, Danny Brotto wrote:
> Agree with Mathew. This same thing came up a dozen or so years ago and
> the issues then are the same as the issues now. What is to be gained
> by the mid-Atlantic pilots by publishing the information on ?our?
> sites? The occasional passer-through contributes to a flying fee? The
> downside is huge as an infraction of protocol may result in loss of a
> site.
>
> I suspect most landowners would not want their sites/properties
> published in a national guide.
>
> There was a period in my flying career where I was traveling and
> flying lots of different sites in different parts of the US. I would
> contact the local pilots via the local club or contact people via
> USHGA referal. All of the local pilots were accommodating and quite
> open about sharing their sites with me after I contacted and
> established myself with them personally. These contacts sometimes
> resulted in rides to the site, glider loans, and accommodations at
> pilot?s homes. Likewise I?ve had dozen?s of pilots who, in town for
> business, etc., have contacted me to fly the local sites. I've alwyas
> been able to hook them up and get them flying during their visits.
> These pilots tracked me down, referred by USHGA or word-of-mouth.
> Prior introduction goes a long way to establishing a rapport with your
> hosts.
>
> Thanks Christy for establishing and maintaining a site guide for our
> local sites. This guide is by and large distributed to local, known
> pilots. We cannot control the audience of a national guide.
>
> Alternatively, we could participate in a national site guide if
> directions to the sites were not included. Contact points (only) for
> the sites would allow the passer-through to inquire and establish
> themselves and their credentials.
>
> It?s one thing to let someone into your home after they've knocked on
> your door and quite another to leave your doors wide open even when
> you are not home. It?s a Pandora?s box? let?s not go there!
>
> Danny Brotto
>
>
>
>
>
no one has done the assigned reading!? The article says site
directions can be suppressed. I too have benefited from the personal
approach when visiting other areas. Don't see how a national guide
detracts from that. - Hugh
On 5 Mar 2005, at 08:14, Danny Brotto wrote:
> Agree with Mathew. This same thing came up a dozen or so years ago and
> the issues then are the same as the issues now. What is to be gained
> by the mid-Atlantic pilots by publishing the information on ?our?
> sites? The occasional passer-through contributes to a flying fee? The
> downside is huge as an infraction of protocol may result in loss of a
> site.
>
> I suspect most landowners would not want their sites/properties
> published in a national guide.
>
> There was a period in my flying career where I was traveling and
> flying lots of different sites in different parts of the US. I would
> contact the local pilots via the local club or contact people via
> USHGA referal. All of the local pilots were accommodating and quite
> open about sharing their sites with me after I contacted and
> established myself with them personally. These contacts sometimes
> resulted in rides to the site, glider loans, and accommodations at
> pilot?s homes. Likewise I?ve had dozen?s of pilots who, in town for
> business, etc., have contacted me to fly the local sites. I've alwyas
> been able to hook them up and get them flying during their visits.
> These pilots tracked me down, referred by USHGA or word-of-mouth.
> Prior introduction goes a long way to establishing a rapport with your
> hosts.
>
> Thanks Christy for establishing and maintaining a site guide for our
> local sites. This guide is by and large distributed to local, known
> pilots. We cannot control the audience of a national guide.
>
> Alternatively, we could participate in a national site guide if
> directions to the sites were not included. Contact points (only) for
> the sites would allow the passer-through to inquire and establish
> themselves and their credentials.
>
> It?s one thing to let someone into your home after they've knocked on
> your door and quite another to leave your doors wide open even when
> you are not home. It?s a Pandora?s box? let?s not go there!
>
> Danny Brotto
>
>
>
>
>
-
Danny Brotto
- Posts: 709
- Joined: Mon Feb 14, 2005 9:29 pm
Maybe "we" have not been paying attention here but ALL of our sites are sensitive!!!
And what happens when protocol changes and that former "primary" field (as called out in the National Site Guide) is now a "do-not-land" field? For example, out of nowhere, Jack's LZ was recently closed. How would even a responsible visiting pilot have known that unless contacting a "local"? And what happns when the designatedl "local" drops out of the sport? I have Christie's original site guide and many of the contact people no longer fly.
Altruism aside, we have nothing to gain here and much to lose.
Danny Brotto
And what happens when protocol changes and that former "primary" field (as called out in the National Site Guide) is now a "do-not-land" field? For example, out of nowhere, Jack's LZ was recently closed. How would even a responsible visiting pilot have known that unless contacting a "local"? And what happns when the designatedl "local" drops out of the sport? I have Christie's original site guide and many of the contact people no longer fly.
Altruism aside, we have nothing to gain here and much to lose.
Danny Brotto
National site and travel guide
Pretty much what danny said, but here's what I think would be useful in a
traveller's guide: a description of the sites (to whet the appetite), and
then contact information. No directions other than travel time from the
major cities. That way someone planning a trip can say "so I have a
11,000 foot cliff launch I'd like to try within 1.5 hours of Aunt Susie;
let's give these guys a shout and see if I can arrange to go up there with
them."
Do you think the travel guide folks would be amenable to this? I'd really
like to have some new faces come through, but under our supervision.
Brian Vant-Hull
301-646-1149
On Sat, 5 Mar 2005, Danny Brotto wrote:
> Agree with Mathew. This same thing came up a dozen or so years ago and th=
e issues then are the same as the issues now. What is to be gained by the m=
id-Atlantic pilots by publishing the information on =93our=94 sites? The oc=
casional passer-through contributes to a flying fee? The downside is huge a=
s an infraction of protocol may result in loss of a site.
>
> I suspect most landowners would not want their sites/properties published=
in a national guide.
>
> There was a period in my flying career where I was traveling and flying l=
ots of different sites in different parts of the US. I would contact the lo=
cal pilots via the local club or contact people via USHGA referal. All of t=
he local pilots were accommodating and quite open about sharing their sites=
with me after I contacted and established myself with them personally. The=
se contacts sometimes resulted in rides to the site, glider loans, and acco=
mmodations at pilot=92s homes. Likewise I=92ve had dozen=92s of pilots who,=
in town for business, etc., have contacted me to fly the local sites. I've=
alwyas been able to hook them up and get them flying during their visits. =
These pilots tracked me down, referred by USHGA or word-of-mouth. Prior int=
roduction goes a long way to establishing a rapport with your hosts.
>
> Thanks Christy for establishing and maintaining a site guide for our loca=
l sites. This guide is by and large distributed to local, known pilots. We =
cannot control the audience of a national guide.
>
> Alternatively, we could participate in a national site guide if direction=
s to the sites were not included. Contact points (only) for the sites would=
allow the passer-through to inquire and establish themselves and their cre=
dentials.
>
> It=92s one thing to let someone into your home after they've knocked on y=
our door and quite another to leave your doors wide open even when you are =
not home. It=92s a Pandora=92s box=85 let=92s not go there!
>
> Danny Brotto
traveller's guide: a description of the sites (to whet the appetite), and
then contact information. No directions other than travel time from the
major cities. That way someone planning a trip can say "so I have a
11,000 foot cliff launch I'd like to try within 1.5 hours of Aunt Susie;
let's give these guys a shout and see if I can arrange to go up there with
them."
Do you think the travel guide folks would be amenable to this? I'd really
like to have some new faces come through, but under our supervision.
Brian Vant-Hull
301-646-1149
On Sat, 5 Mar 2005, Danny Brotto wrote:
> Agree with Mathew. This same thing came up a dozen or so years ago and th=
e issues then are the same as the issues now. What is to be gained by the m=
id-Atlantic pilots by publishing the information on =93our=94 sites? The oc=
casional passer-through contributes to a flying fee? The downside is huge a=
s an infraction of protocol may result in loss of a site.
>
> I suspect most landowners would not want their sites/properties published=
in a national guide.
>
> There was a period in my flying career where I was traveling and flying l=
ots of different sites in different parts of the US. I would contact the lo=
cal pilots via the local club or contact people via USHGA referal. All of t=
he local pilots were accommodating and quite open about sharing their sites=
with me after I contacted and established myself with them personally. The=
se contacts sometimes resulted in rides to the site, glider loans, and acco=
mmodations at pilot=92s homes. Likewise I=92ve had dozen=92s of pilots who,=
in town for business, etc., have contacted me to fly the local sites. I've=
alwyas been able to hook them up and get them flying during their visits. =
These pilots tracked me down, referred by USHGA or word-of-mouth. Prior int=
roduction goes a long way to establishing a rapport with your hosts.
>
> Thanks Christy for establishing and maintaining a site guide for our loca=
l sites. This guide is by and large distributed to local, known pilots. We =
cannot control the audience of a national guide.
>
> Alternatively, we could participate in a national site guide if direction=
s to the sites were not included. Contact points (only) for the sites would=
allow the passer-through to inquire and establish themselves and their cre=
dentials.
>
> It=92s one thing to let someone into your home after they've knocked on y=
our door and quite another to leave your doors wide open even when you are =
not home. It=92s a Pandora=92s box=85 let=92s not go there!
>
> Danny Brotto
National site and travel guide
Ahem. Returning to close exegesis of the reference text: page 42-43,
volume 35 issue 2 - OK, so we designate our sites as sensitive and give
only general descriptions and a contact reference - which could be the
club website (also subject to getting out of date, but nothing's
perfect). Where's the harm? For myself, I would strongly prefer to
have a knowledgeable local show me a site, even if it's listed in a
site guide or posted on a club website, as is often the case. No site
guide is going to tell me everything there is to know, compared to
actually talking to someone about it, walking the LZ and standing on
launch. For what it's worth, the article says it will be an annual
publication... - Hugh
On 5 Mar 2005, at 11:20, Danny Brotto wrote:
> Maybe "we" have not been paying attention here but ALL of our sites
> are sensitive!!!
>
> And what happens when protocol changes and that former "primary"
> field (as called out in the National Site Guide) is now a
> "do-not-land" field? For example, out of nowhere, Jack's LZ was
> recently closed. How would even a responsible visiting pilot have
> known that unless contacting a "local"? And what happns when the
> designatedl "local" drops out of the sport? I have Christie's original
> site guide and many of the contact people no longer fly.
>
> Altruism aside, we have nothing to gain here and much to lose.
>
> Danny Brotto
>
>
>
>
>
volume 35 issue 2 - OK, so we designate our sites as sensitive and give
only general descriptions and a contact reference - which could be the
club website (also subject to getting out of date, but nothing's
perfect). Where's the harm? For myself, I would strongly prefer to
have a knowledgeable local show me a site, even if it's listed in a
site guide or posted on a club website, as is often the case. No site
guide is going to tell me everything there is to know, compared to
actually talking to someone about it, walking the LZ and standing on
launch. For what it's worth, the article says it will be an annual
publication... - Hugh
On 5 Mar 2005, at 11:20, Danny Brotto wrote:
> Maybe "we" have not been paying attention here but ALL of our sites
> are sensitive!!!
>
> And what happens when protocol changes and that former "primary"
> field (as called out in the National Site Guide) is now a
> "do-not-land" field? For example, out of nowhere, Jack's LZ was
> recently closed. How would even a responsible visiting pilot have
> known that unless contacting a "local"? And what happns when the
> designatedl "local" drops out of the sport? I have Christie's original
> site guide and many of the contact people no longer fly.
>
> Altruism aside, we have nothing to gain here and much to lose.
>
> Danny Brotto
>
>
>
>
>
National site and travel guide
Speaking of not reading the literature, I just repeated what Danny said
(having not read what he said closely enough), which apparently is already an
option in the travel guide. Looks like we're all on the same page, we're
just not reading it.
No directions, and we're cool, right? I think it's a benefit to have
pilots come through, so long as they fly under our supervision. It's
fun, and we get fresh perspectives. Just my personal opinion.
Brian Vant-Hull
301-646-1149
On Sat, 5 Mar 2005, Vant-Hull - Brian wrote:
>
>
> Pretty much what danny said, but here's what I think would be useful in a
> traveller's guide: a description of the sites (to whet the appetite), and
> then contact information. No directions other than travel time from the
> major cities. That way someone planning a trip can say "so I have a
> 11,000 foot cliff launch I'd like to try within 1.5 hours of Aunt Susie;
> let's give these guys a shout and see if I can arrange to go up there with
> them."
>
> Do you think the travel guide folks would be amenable to this? I'd really
> like to have some new faces come through, but under our supervision.
>
> Brian Vant-Hull
> 301-646-1149
>
> On Sat, 5 Mar 2005, Danny Brotto wrote:
>
> > Agree with Mathew. This same thing came up a dozen or so years ago and th=
> e issues then are the same as the issues now. What is to be gained by the m=
> id-Atlantic pilots by publishing the information on =93our=94 sites? The oc=
> casional passer-through contributes to a flying fee? The downside is huge a=
> s an infraction of protocol may result in loss of a site.
> >
> > I suspect most landowners would not want their sites/properties published=
> in a national guide.
> >
> > There was a period in my flying career where I was traveling and flying l=
> ots of different sites in different parts of the US. I would contact the lo=
> cal pilots via the local club or contact people via USHGA referal. All of t=
> he local pilots were accommodating and quite open about sharing their sites=
> with me after I contacted and established myself with them personally. The=
> se contacts sometimes resulted in rides to the site, glider loans, and acco=
> mmodations at pilot=92s homes. Likewise I=92ve had dozen=92s of pilots who,=
> in town for business, etc., have contacted me to fly the local sites. I've=
> alwyas been able to hook them up and get them flying during their visits. =
> These pilots tracked me down, referred by USHGA or word-of-mouth. Prior int=
> roduction goes a long way to establishing a rapport with your hosts.
> >
> > Thanks Christy for establishing and maintaining a site guide for our loca=
> l sites. This guide is by and large distributed to local, known pilots. We =
> cannot control the audience of a national guide.
> >
> > Alternatively, we could participate in a national site guide if direction=
> s to the sites were not included. Contact points (only) for the sites would=
> allow the passer-through to inquire and establish themselves and their cre=
> dentials.
> >
> > It=92s one thing to let someone into your home after they've knocked on y=
> our door and quite another to leave your doors wide open even when you are =
> not home. It=92s a Pandora=92s box=85 let=92s not go there!
> >
> > Danny Brotto
>
>
(having not read what he said closely enough), which apparently is already an
option in the travel guide. Looks like we're all on the same page, we're
just not reading it.
No directions, and we're cool, right? I think it's a benefit to have
pilots come through, so long as they fly under our supervision. It's
fun, and we get fresh perspectives. Just my personal opinion.
Brian Vant-Hull
301-646-1149
On Sat, 5 Mar 2005, Vant-Hull - Brian wrote:
>
>
> Pretty much what danny said, but here's what I think would be useful in a
> traveller's guide: a description of the sites (to whet the appetite), and
> then contact information. No directions other than travel time from the
> major cities. That way someone planning a trip can say "so I have a
> 11,000 foot cliff launch I'd like to try within 1.5 hours of Aunt Susie;
> let's give these guys a shout and see if I can arrange to go up there with
> them."
>
> Do you think the travel guide folks would be amenable to this? I'd really
> like to have some new faces come through, but under our supervision.
>
> Brian Vant-Hull
> 301-646-1149
>
> On Sat, 5 Mar 2005, Danny Brotto wrote:
>
> > Agree with Mathew. This same thing came up a dozen or so years ago and th=
> e issues then are the same as the issues now. What is to be gained by the m=
> id-Atlantic pilots by publishing the information on =93our=94 sites? The oc=
> casional passer-through contributes to a flying fee? The downside is huge a=
> s an infraction of protocol may result in loss of a site.
> >
> > I suspect most landowners would not want their sites/properties published=
> in a national guide.
> >
> > There was a period in my flying career where I was traveling and flying l=
> ots of different sites in different parts of the US. I would contact the lo=
> cal pilots via the local club or contact people via USHGA referal. All of t=
> he local pilots were accommodating and quite open about sharing their sites=
> with me after I contacted and established myself with them personally. The=
> se contacts sometimes resulted in rides to the site, glider loans, and acco=
> mmodations at pilot=92s homes. Likewise I=92ve had dozen=92s of pilots who,=
> in town for business, etc., have contacted me to fly the local sites. I've=
> alwyas been able to hook them up and get them flying during their visits. =
> These pilots tracked me down, referred by USHGA or word-of-mouth. Prior int=
> roduction goes a long way to establishing a rapport with your hosts.
> >
> > Thanks Christy for establishing and maintaining a site guide for our loca=
> l sites. This guide is by and large distributed to local, known pilots. We =
> cannot control the audience of a national guide.
> >
> > Alternatively, we could participate in a national site guide if direction=
> s to the sites were not included. Contact points (only) for the sites would=
> allow the passer-through to inquire and establish themselves and their cre=
> dentials.
> >
> > It=92s one thing to let someone into your home after they've knocked on y=
> our door and quite another to leave your doors wide open even when you are =
> not home. It=92s a Pandora=92s box=85 let=92s not go there!
> >
> > Danny Brotto
>
>
National site and travel guide
As you point out, everyone may be in violent agreement. So, I'm with
you, Brian, as long as you show me that 11,000 foot cliff launch. And,
does Aunt Susie serve beer?
On Saturday, March 5, 2005, at 12:21 PM, Vant-Hull - Brian wrote:
>
>
> Speaking of not reading the literature, I just repeated what Danny said
> (having not read what he said closely enough), which apparently is
> already an
> option in the travel guide. Looks like we're all on the same page,
> we're
> just not reading it.
>
> No directions, and we're cool, right? I think it's a benefit to have
> pilots come through, so long as they fly under our supervision. It's
> fun, and we get fresh perspectives. Just my personal opinion.
>
> Brian Vant-Hull
> 301-646-1149
>
> On Sat, 5 Mar 2005, Vant-Hull - Brian wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Pretty much what danny said, but here's what I think would be useful
>> in a
>> traveller's guide: a description of the sites (to whet the appetite),
>> and
>> then contact information. No directions other than travel time from
>> the
>> major cities. That way someone planning a trip can say "so I have a
>> 11,000 foot cliff launch I'd like to try within 1.5 hours of Aunt
>> Susie;
>> let's give these guys a shout and see if I can arrange to go up there
>> with
>> them."
>>
>> Do you think the travel guide folks would be amenable to this? I'd
>> really
>> like to have some new faces come through, but under our supervision.
>>
>> Brian Vant-Hull
>> 301-646-1149
>>
>> On Sat, 5 Mar 2005, Danny Brotto wrote:
>>
>>> Agree with Mathew. This same thing came up a dozen or so years ago
>>> and th=
>> e issues then are the same as the issues now. What is to be gained by
>> the m=
>> id-Atlantic pilots by publishing the information on =93our=94 sites?
>> The oc=
>> casional passer-through contributes to a flying fee? The downside is
>> huge a=
>> s an infraction of protocol may result in loss of a site.
>>>
>>> I suspect most landowners would not want their sites/properties
>>> published=
>> in a national guide.
>>>
>>> There was a period in my flying career where I was traveling and
>>> flying l=
>> ots of different sites in different parts of the US. I would contact
>> the lo=
>> cal pilots via the local club or contact people via USHGA referal.
>> All of t=
>> he local pilots were accommodating and quite open about sharing their
>> sites=
>> with me after I contacted and established myself with them
>> personally. The=
>> se contacts sometimes resulted in rides to the site, glider loans,
>> and acco=
>> mmodations at pilot=92s homes. Likewise I=92ve had dozen=92s of
>> pilots who,=
>> in town for business, etc., have contacted me to fly the local
>> sites. I've=
>> alwyas been able to hook them up and get them flying during their
>> visits. =
>> These pilots tracked me down, referred by USHGA or word-of-mouth.
>> Prior int=
>> roduction goes a long way to establishing a rapport with your hosts.
>>>
>>> Thanks Christy for establishing and maintaining a site guide for our
>>> loca=
>> l sites. This guide is by and large distributed to local, known
>> pilots. We =
>> cannot control the audience of a national guide.
>>>
>>> Alternatively, we could participate in a national site guide if
>>> direction=
>> s to the sites were not included. Contact points (only) for the sites
>> would=
>> allow the passer-through to inquire and establish themselves and
>> their cre=
>> dentials.
>>>
>>> It=92s one thing to let someone into your home after they've knocked
>>> on y=
>> our door and quite another to leave your doors wide open even when
>> you are =
>> not home. It=92s a Pandora=92s box=85 let=92s not go there!
>>>
>>> Danny Brotto
>>
>>
>
>
you, Brian, as long as you show me that 11,000 foot cliff launch. And,
does Aunt Susie serve beer?
On Saturday, March 5, 2005, at 12:21 PM, Vant-Hull - Brian wrote:
>
>
> Speaking of not reading the literature, I just repeated what Danny said
> (having not read what he said closely enough), which apparently is
> already an
> option in the travel guide. Looks like we're all on the same page,
> we're
> just not reading it.
>
> No directions, and we're cool, right? I think it's a benefit to have
> pilots come through, so long as they fly under our supervision. It's
> fun, and we get fresh perspectives. Just my personal opinion.
>
> Brian Vant-Hull
> 301-646-1149
>
> On Sat, 5 Mar 2005, Vant-Hull - Brian wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Pretty much what danny said, but here's what I think would be useful
>> in a
>> traveller's guide: a description of the sites (to whet the appetite),
>> and
>> then contact information. No directions other than travel time from
>> the
>> major cities. That way someone planning a trip can say "so I have a
>> 11,000 foot cliff launch I'd like to try within 1.5 hours of Aunt
>> Susie;
>> let's give these guys a shout and see if I can arrange to go up there
>> with
>> them."
>>
>> Do you think the travel guide folks would be amenable to this? I'd
>> really
>> like to have some new faces come through, but under our supervision.
>>
>> Brian Vant-Hull
>> 301-646-1149
>>
>> On Sat, 5 Mar 2005, Danny Brotto wrote:
>>
>>> Agree with Mathew. This same thing came up a dozen or so years ago
>>> and th=
>> e issues then are the same as the issues now. What is to be gained by
>> the m=
>> id-Atlantic pilots by publishing the information on =93our=94 sites?
>> The oc=
>> casional passer-through contributes to a flying fee? The downside is
>> huge a=
>> s an infraction of protocol may result in loss of a site.
>>>
>>> I suspect most landowners would not want their sites/properties
>>> published=
>> in a national guide.
>>>
>>> There was a period in my flying career where I was traveling and
>>> flying l=
>> ots of different sites in different parts of the US. I would contact
>> the lo=
>> cal pilots via the local club or contact people via USHGA referal.
>> All of t=
>> he local pilots were accommodating and quite open about sharing their
>> sites=
>> with me after I contacted and established myself with them
>> personally. The=
>> se contacts sometimes resulted in rides to the site, glider loans,
>> and acco=
>> mmodations at pilot=92s homes. Likewise I=92ve had dozen=92s of
>> pilots who,=
>> in town for business, etc., have contacted me to fly the local
>> sites. I've=
>> alwyas been able to hook them up and get them flying during their
>> visits. =
>> These pilots tracked me down, referred by USHGA or word-of-mouth.
>> Prior int=
>> roduction goes a long way to establishing a rapport with your hosts.
>>>
>>> Thanks Christy for establishing and maintaining a site guide for our
>>> loca=
>> l sites. This guide is by and large distributed to local, known
>> pilots. We =
>> cannot control the audience of a national guide.
>>>
>>> Alternatively, we could participate in a national site guide if
>>> direction=
>> s to the sites were not included. Contact points (only) for the sites
>> would=
>> allow the passer-through to inquire and establish themselves and
>> their cre=
>> dentials.
>>>
>>> It=92s one thing to let someone into your home after they've knocked
>>> on y=
>> our door and quite another to leave your doors wide open even when
>> you are =
>> not home. It=92s a Pandora=92s box=85 let=92s not go there!
>>>
>>> Danny Brotto
>>
>>
>
>
National site and travel guide
I do the site guide on my Mac in Clarisworks.? The graphics and format?probably wouldn't translate well. I have a translation program, but haven't tried lately. I'd be willing to translate the stuff, but I'm not willing to clean it up.
?
CVHGA gets all the profit?from the sale of each site guide.? Can the treasurer of the club tell us how much I've sent in in the last 2 years?
?
I think we could only hand over the information that is in our club's sphere of influence. The?contacts for the other sites should have the responsibiilty of deciding if they want their sites listed in the national guide.
?
Danny, you should get a new site guide.? I only print 5 at a time, so it's always up to date. Will the national one be online only?? Will whoever puts it up make a point of having contacts for each site and contacting those people to see if there have been changes?? I do this from time to time, otherwise I monitor the changes that come up on the list server and make them as soon as I hear about them.
?
I'd love to hand over the job of doing the site guide. I started it in February 1989, so it's been a while.? If we do contribute to the national guide, I imagine sales of our site guide will drop.? I would find it difficult to expend the energy doing ours and would prefer that it be turned into an electronic guide that you have to pay for online.?If this happens, it will have to be someone else handling the shipping and updating.
?
Christy
Vant-Hull - Brian <brianvh@umd5.umd.edu> wrote:
Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web
?
CVHGA gets all the profit?from the sale of each site guide.? Can the treasurer of the club tell us how much I've sent in in the last 2 years?
?
I think we could only hand over the information that is in our club's sphere of influence. The?contacts for the other sites should have the responsibiilty of deciding if they want their sites listed in the national guide.
?
Danny, you should get a new site guide.? I only print 5 at a time, so it's always up to date. Will the national one be online only?? Will whoever puts it up make a point of having contacts for each site and contacting those people to see if there have been changes?? I do this from time to time, otherwise I monitor the changes that come up on the list server and make them as soon as I hear about them.
?
I'd love to hand over the job of doing the site guide. I started it in February 1989, so it's been a while.? If we do contribute to the national guide, I imagine sales of our site guide will drop.? I would find it difficult to expend the energy doing ours and would prefer that it be turned into an electronic guide that you have to pay for online.?If this happens, it will have to be someone else handling the shipping and updating.
?
Christy
Vant-Hull - Brian <brianvh@umd5.umd.edu> wrote:
Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday!
Pretty much what danny said, but here's what I think would be useful in a
traveller's guide: a description of the sites (to whet the appetite), and
then contact information. No directions other than travel time from the
major cities. That way someone planning a trip can say "so I have a
11,000 foot cliff launch I'd like to try within 1.5 hours of Aunt Susie;
let's give these guys a shout and see if I can arrange to go up there with
them."
Do you think the travel guide folks would be amenable to this? I'd really
like to have some new faces come through, but under our supervision.
Brian Vant-Hull
301-646-1149
On Sat, 5 Mar 2005, Danny Brotto wrote:
> Agree with Mathew. This same thing came up a dozen or so years ago and th=
e issues then are the same as the issues now. What is to be gained by the m=
id-Atlantic pilots by publishing the information on =93our=94 sites? The oc=
casional passer-through contributes to a flying fee? The downside is huge a=
s an infraction of protocol may result in loss of a site.
>
> I suspect most landowners would not want their sites/properties published=
in a national guide.
>
> There was a period in my flying career where I was traveling and flying l=
ots of different sites in different parts of the US. I would contact the lo=
cal pilots via the local club or contact people via USHGA referal. All of t=
he local pilots were accommodating and quite open about sharing their sites=
with me after I contacted and established myself with them personally. The=
se contacts sometimes resulted in rides to the site, glider loans, and acco=
mmodations at pilot=92s homes. Likewise I=92ve had dozen=92s of pilots who,=
in town for business, etc., have contacted me to fly the local sites. I've=
alwyas been able to hook them up and get them flying during their visits. =
These pilots tracked me down, referred by USHGA or word-of-mouth. Prior int=
roduction goes a long way to establishing a rapport with your hosts.
>
> Thanks Christy for establishing and maintaining a site guide for our loca=
l sites. This guide is by and large distributed to local, known pilots. We =
cannot control the audience of a national guide.
>
> Alternatively, we could participate in a national site guide if direction=
s to the sites were not included. Contact points (only) for the sites would=
allow the passer-through to inquire and establish themselves and their cre=
dentials.
>
> It=92s one thing to let someone into your home after they've knocked on y=
our door and quite another to leave your doors wide open even when you are =
not home. It=92s a Pandora=92s box=85 let=92s not go there!
>
> Danny Brotto
Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web
National site and travel guide
Once more, with feeling: please everyone actually read the article,
all the way through, and slowly enough to absorb what it says. Of the
63 data fields, only one is location - "directions to launch" isn't
even mentioned... - Hugh
On 5 Mar 2005, at 12:08, Vant-Hull - Brian wrote:
>
>
> Pretty much what danny said, but here's what I think would be useful
> in a
> traveller's guide: a description of the sites (to whet the appetite),
> and
> then contact information. No directions other than travel time from
> the
> major cities. That way someone planning a trip can say "so I have a
> 11,000 foot cliff launch I'd like to try within 1.5 hours of Aunt
> Susie;
> let's give these guys a shout and see if I can arrange to go up there
> with
> them."
>
> Do you think the travel guide folks would be amenable to this? I'd
> really
> like to have some new faces come through, but under our supervision.
>
> Brian Vant-Hull
> 301-646-1149
>
> On Sat, 5 Mar 2005, Danny Brotto wrote:
>
>> Agree with Mathew. This same thing came up a dozen or so years ago
>> and th=
> e issues then are the same as the issues now. What is to be gained by
> the m=
> id-Atlantic pilots by publishing the information on =93our=94 sites?
> The oc=
> casional passer-through contributes to a flying fee? The downside is
> huge a=
> s an infraction of protocol may result in loss of a site.
>>
>> I suspect most landowners would not want their sites/properties
>> published=
> in a national guide.
>>
>> There was a period in my flying career where I was traveling and
>> flying l=
> ots of different sites in different parts of the US. I would contact
> the lo=
> cal pilots via the local club or contact people via USHGA referal. All
> of t=
> he local pilots were accommodating and quite open about sharing their
> sites=
> with me after I contacted and established myself with them
> personally. The=
> se contacts sometimes resulted in rides to the site, glider loans, and
> acco=
> mmodations at pilot=92s homes. Likewise I=92ve had dozen=92s of pilots
> who,=
> in town for business, etc., have contacted me to fly the local sites.
> I've=
> alwyas been able to hook them up and get them flying during their
> visits. =
> These pilots tracked me down, referred by USHGA or word-of-mouth.
> Prior int=
> roduction goes a long way to establishing a rapport with your hosts.
>>
>> Thanks Christy for establishing and maintaining a site guide for our
>> loca=
> l sites. This guide is by and large distributed to local, known
> pilots. We =
> cannot control the audience of a national guide.
>>
>> Alternatively, we could participate in a national site guide if
>> direction=
> s to the sites were not included. Contact points (only) for the sites
> would=
> allow the passer-through to inquire and establish themselves and
> their cre=
> dentials.
>>
>> It=92s one thing to let someone into your home after they've knocked
>> on y=
> our door and quite another to leave your doors wide open even when you
> are =
> not home. It=92s a Pandora=92s box=85 let=92s not go there!
>>
>> Danny Brotto
>
>
all the way through, and slowly enough to absorb what it says. Of the
63 data fields, only one is location - "directions to launch" isn't
even mentioned... - Hugh
On 5 Mar 2005, at 12:08, Vant-Hull - Brian wrote:
>
>
> Pretty much what danny said, but here's what I think would be useful
> in a
> traveller's guide: a description of the sites (to whet the appetite),
> and
> then contact information. No directions other than travel time from
> the
> major cities. That way someone planning a trip can say "so I have a
> 11,000 foot cliff launch I'd like to try within 1.5 hours of Aunt
> Susie;
> let's give these guys a shout and see if I can arrange to go up there
> with
> them."
>
> Do you think the travel guide folks would be amenable to this? I'd
> really
> like to have some new faces come through, but under our supervision.
>
> Brian Vant-Hull
> 301-646-1149
>
> On Sat, 5 Mar 2005, Danny Brotto wrote:
>
>> Agree with Mathew. This same thing came up a dozen or so years ago
>> and th=
> e issues then are the same as the issues now. What is to be gained by
> the m=
> id-Atlantic pilots by publishing the information on =93our=94 sites?
> The oc=
> casional passer-through contributes to a flying fee? The downside is
> huge a=
> s an infraction of protocol may result in loss of a site.
>>
>> I suspect most landowners would not want their sites/properties
>> published=
> in a national guide.
>>
>> There was a period in my flying career where I was traveling and
>> flying l=
> ots of different sites in different parts of the US. I would contact
> the lo=
> cal pilots via the local club or contact people via USHGA referal. All
> of t=
> he local pilots were accommodating and quite open about sharing their
> sites=
> with me after I contacted and established myself with them
> personally. The=
> se contacts sometimes resulted in rides to the site, glider loans, and
> acco=
> mmodations at pilot=92s homes. Likewise I=92ve had dozen=92s of pilots
> who,=
> in town for business, etc., have contacted me to fly the local sites.
> I've=
> alwyas been able to hook them up and get them flying during their
> visits. =
> These pilots tracked me down, referred by USHGA or word-of-mouth.
> Prior int=
> roduction goes a long way to establishing a rapport with your hosts.
>>
>> Thanks Christy for establishing and maintaining a site guide for our
>> loca=
> l sites. This guide is by and large distributed to local, known
> pilots. We =
> cannot control the audience of a national guide.
>>
>> Alternatively, we could participate in a national site guide if
>> direction=
> s to the sites were not included. Contact points (only) for the sites
> would=
> allow the passer-through to inquire and establish themselves and
> their cre=
> dentials.
>>
>> It=92s one thing to let someone into your home after they've knocked
>> on y=
> our door and quite another to leave your doors wide open even when you
> are =
> not home. It=92s a Pandora=92s box=85 let=92s not go there!
>>
>> Danny Brotto
>
>
National site and travel guide
Geez, for the 25th HR anniversary I wrote an article to HG magazine which
spoke about our 11,000 cliff launch. It was a hopeful mistake then, and
believe it or not, I did it again. A guy's gotta dream.
Brian Vant-Hull
301-646-1149
On Sat, 5 Mar 2005, David Bodner wrote:
>
> As you point out, everyone may be in violent agreement. So, I'm with
> you, Brian, as long as you show me that 11,000 foot cliff launch. And,
> does Aunt Susie serve beer?
>
> On Saturday, March 5, 2005, at 12:21 PM, Vant-Hull - Brian wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Speaking of not reading the literature, I just repeated what Danny said
> > (having not read what he said closely enough), which apparently is
> > already an
> > option in the travel guide. Looks like we're all on the same page,
> > we're
> > just not reading it.
> >
> > No directions, and we're cool, right? I think it's a benefit to have
> > pilots come through, so long as they fly under our supervision. It's
> > fun, and we get fresh perspectives. Just my personal opinion.
> >
> > Brian Vant-Hull
> > 301-646-1149
> >
> > On Sat, 5 Mar 2005, Vant-Hull - Brian wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Pretty much what danny said, but here's what I think would be useful
> >> in a
> >> traveller's guide: a description of the sites (to whet the appetite),
> >> and
> >> then contact information. No directions other than travel time from
> >> the
> >> major cities. That way someone planning a trip can say "so I have a
> >> 11,000 foot cliff launch I'd like to try within 1.5 hours of Aunt
> >> Susie;
> >> let's give these guys a shout and see if I can arrange to go up there
> >> with
> >> them."
> >>
> >> Do you think the travel guide folks would be amenable to this? I'd
> >> really
> >> like to have some new faces come through, but under our supervision.
> >>
> >> Brian Vant-Hull
> >> 301-646-1149
> >>
> >> On Sat, 5 Mar 2005, Danny Brotto wrote:
> >>
> >>> Agree with Mathew. This same thing came up a dozen or so years ago
> >>> and th=
> >> e issues then are the same as the issues now. What is to be gained by
> >> the m=
> >> id-Atlantic pilots by publishing the information on =93our=94 sites?
> >> The oc=
> >> casional passer-through contributes to a flying fee? The downside is
> >> huge a=
> >> s an infraction of protocol may result in loss of a site.
> >>>
> >>> I suspect most landowners would not want their sites/properties
> >>> published=
> >> in a national guide.
> >>>
> >>> There was a period in my flying career where I was traveling and
> >>> flying l=
> >> ots of different sites in different parts of the US. I would contact
> >> the lo=
> >> cal pilots via the local club or contact people via USHGA referal.
> >> All of t=
> >> he local pilots were accommodating and quite open about sharing their
> >> sites=
> >> with me after I contacted and established myself with them
> >> personally. The=
> >> se contacts sometimes resulted in rides to the site, glider loans,
> >> and acco=
> >> mmodations at pilot=92s homes. Likewise I=92ve had dozen=92s of
> >> pilots who,=
> >> in town for business, etc., have contacted me to fly the local
> >> sites. I've=
> >> alwyas been able to hook them up and get them flying during their
> >> visits. =
> >> These pilots tracked me down, referred by USHGA or word-of-mouth.
> >> Prior int=
> >> roduction goes a long way to establishing a rapport with your hosts.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks Christy for establishing and maintaining a site guide for our
> >>> loca=
> >> l sites. This guide is by and large distributed to local, known
> >> pilots. We =
> >> cannot control the audience of a national guide.
> >>>
> >>> Alternatively, we could participate in a national site guide if
> >>> direction=
> >> s to the sites were not included. Contact points (only) for the sites
> >> would=
> >> allow the passer-through to inquire and establish themselves and
> >> their cre=
> >> dentials.
> >>>
> >>> It=92s one thing to let someone into your home after they've knocked
> >>> on y=
> >> our door and quite another to leave your doors wide open even when
> >> you are =
> >> not home. It=92s a Pandora=92s box=85 let=92s not go there!
> >>>
> >>> Danny Brotto
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
>
spoke about our 11,000 cliff launch. It was a hopeful mistake then, and
believe it or not, I did it again. A guy's gotta dream.
Brian Vant-Hull
301-646-1149
On Sat, 5 Mar 2005, David Bodner wrote:
>
> As you point out, everyone may be in violent agreement. So, I'm with
> you, Brian, as long as you show me that 11,000 foot cliff launch. And,
> does Aunt Susie serve beer?
>
> On Saturday, March 5, 2005, at 12:21 PM, Vant-Hull - Brian wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Speaking of not reading the literature, I just repeated what Danny said
> > (having not read what he said closely enough), which apparently is
> > already an
> > option in the travel guide. Looks like we're all on the same page,
> > we're
> > just not reading it.
> >
> > No directions, and we're cool, right? I think it's a benefit to have
> > pilots come through, so long as they fly under our supervision. It's
> > fun, and we get fresh perspectives. Just my personal opinion.
> >
> > Brian Vant-Hull
> > 301-646-1149
> >
> > On Sat, 5 Mar 2005, Vant-Hull - Brian wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Pretty much what danny said, but here's what I think would be useful
> >> in a
> >> traveller's guide: a description of the sites (to whet the appetite),
> >> and
> >> then contact information. No directions other than travel time from
> >> the
> >> major cities. That way someone planning a trip can say "so I have a
> >> 11,000 foot cliff launch I'd like to try within 1.5 hours of Aunt
> >> Susie;
> >> let's give these guys a shout and see if I can arrange to go up there
> >> with
> >> them."
> >>
> >> Do you think the travel guide folks would be amenable to this? I'd
> >> really
> >> like to have some new faces come through, but under our supervision.
> >>
> >> Brian Vant-Hull
> >> 301-646-1149
> >>
> >> On Sat, 5 Mar 2005, Danny Brotto wrote:
> >>
> >>> Agree with Mathew. This same thing came up a dozen or so years ago
> >>> and th=
> >> e issues then are the same as the issues now. What is to be gained by
> >> the m=
> >> id-Atlantic pilots by publishing the information on =93our=94 sites?
> >> The oc=
> >> casional passer-through contributes to a flying fee? The downside is
> >> huge a=
> >> s an infraction of protocol may result in loss of a site.
> >>>
> >>> I suspect most landowners would not want their sites/properties
> >>> published=
> >> in a national guide.
> >>>
> >>> There was a period in my flying career where I was traveling and
> >>> flying l=
> >> ots of different sites in different parts of the US. I would contact
> >> the lo=
> >> cal pilots via the local club or contact people via USHGA referal.
> >> All of t=
> >> he local pilots were accommodating and quite open about sharing their
> >> sites=
> >> with me after I contacted and established myself with them
> >> personally. The=
> >> se contacts sometimes resulted in rides to the site, glider loans,
> >> and acco=
> >> mmodations at pilot=92s homes. Likewise I=92ve had dozen=92s of
> >> pilots who,=
> >> in town for business, etc., have contacted me to fly the local
> >> sites. I've=
> >> alwyas been able to hook them up and get them flying during their
> >> visits. =
> >> These pilots tracked me down, referred by USHGA or word-of-mouth.
> >> Prior int=
> >> roduction goes a long way to establishing a rapport with your hosts.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks Christy for establishing and maintaining a site guide for our
> >>> loca=
> >> l sites. This guide is by and large distributed to local, known
> >> pilots. We =
> >> cannot control the audience of a national guide.
> >>>
> >>> Alternatively, we could participate in a national site guide if
> >>> direction=
> >> s to the sites were not included. Contact points (only) for the sites
> >> would=
> >> allow the passer-through to inquire and establish themselves and
> >> their cre=
> >> dentials.
> >>>
> >>> It=92s one thing to let someone into your home after they've knocked
> >>> on y=
> >> our door and quite another to leave your doors wide open even when
> >> you are =
> >> not home. It=92s a Pandora=92s box=85 let=92s not go there!
> >>>
> >>> Danny Brotto
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
>
National site and travel guide
Thanks, Christy. It's become apparent that the data would have to be
expurgated before we would turn it over to anyone else, so there is
work involved, assuming we decide to participate at all. Given that
the national guide would be inspecific, there would still be a
requirement for a more specific local guide (although I'm not so sure
about letting Maryland pilots know about Virginia sites and vice-versa
- and Lord help us if we let those scruffy West Virginia and
Pennsylvania pilots find out about our sites - and then there are the
damn furriner PG pilots with funny names and accents - prob'ly eat
froglegs, too) - or maybe not, given the tenor of the conversation the
today - maybe we should ditch the regional site guide and just pass
info from campfire to campfire. I do not remember receiving any
checks for site guide sales income in 2004 - but then there's a lot I
don't remember. I have ready retrieval of outgoing CHGPA checks, but
not of individual receipts. (Maybe *I* can get relieved for
malfeasance in office!) Fastest way to find out would be to go through
your own check register... - Hugh
On 5 Mar 2005, at 12:25, Christy Huddle wrote:
> I do the site guide on my Mac in Clarisworks.? The graphics and
> format?probably wouldn't translate well. I have a translation program,
> but haven't tried lately. I'd be willing to translate the stuff, but
> I'm not willing to clean it up.
> ?
> CVHGA gets all the profit?from the sale of each site guide.? Can the
> treasurer of the club tell us how much I've sent in in the last 2
> years?
> ?
> I think we could only hand over the information that is in our club's
> sphere of influence. The?contacts for the other sites should have the
> responsibiilty of deciding if they want their sites listed in the
> national guide.
> ?
> Danny, you should get a new site guide.? I only print 5 at a time, so
> it's always up to date. Will the national one be online only?? Will
> whoever puts it up make a point of having contacts for each site and
> contacting those people to see if there have been changes?? I do this
> from time to time, otherwise I monitor the changes that come up on the
> list server and make them as soon as I hear about them.
> ?
> I'd love to hand over the job of doing the site guide. I started it
> in February 1989, so it's been a while.? If we do contribute to the
> national guide, I imagine sales of our site guide will drop.? I would
> find it difficult to expend the energy doing ours and would prefer
> that it be turned into an electronic guide that you have to pay for
> online.?If this happens, it will have to be someone else handling the
> shipping and updating.
> ?
> Christy
>
> Vant-Hull - Brian <brianvh@umd5.umd.edu> wrote:
>
>
> :
>
>
>
> Pretty much what danny said, but here's what I think would be useful
> in a
> traveller's guide: a description of the sites (to whet the appetite),
> and
> then contact information. No directions other than travel time from
> the
> major cities. That way someone planning a trip can say "so I have a
> 11,000 foot cliff launch I'd like to try within 1.5 hours of Aunt
> Susie;
> let's give these guys a shout and see if I can arrange to go up there
> with
> them."
>
> Do you think the travel guide folks would be amenable to this? I'd
> really
> like to have some new faces come through, but under our supervision.
>
> Brian Vant-Hull
> 301-646-1149
>
> On Sat, 5 Mar 2005, Danny Brotto wrote:
>
> > Agree with Mathew. This same thing came up a dozen or so years ago
> and th=
> e issues then are the same as the issues now. What is to be gained by
> the m=
> id-Atlantic pilots by publishing the information on =93our=94 sites?
> The oc=
> casional passer-through contributes to a flying fee? The downside is
> huge a=
> s an infraction of protocol may result in loss of a site.
> >
> > I suspect most landowners would not want their sites/properties
> published=
> in a national guide.
> >
> > There was a period in my flying career where I was traveling and
> flying l=
> ots of different sites in different parts of the US. I would contact
> the lo=
> cal pilots via the local club or contact people via USHGA referal.
> All of t=
> he local pilots were accommodating and quite open about sharing their
> sites=
> with me after I contacted and established myself with them
> personally. The=
> se contacts sometimes resulted in rides to the site, glider loans,
> and acco=
> mmodations at pilot=92s homes. Likewise I=92ve had dozen=92s of
> pilots who,=
> in town for business, etc., have contacted me to fly the local sites.
> I've=
> alwyas been able to hook them up and get them flying during their
> visits. =
> These pilots tracked me down, referred by USHGA or word-of-mouth.
> Prior int=
> roduction goes a long way to establishing a rapport with your hosts.
> >
> > Thanks Christy for establishing and maintaining a site guide for
> our loca=
> l sites. This guide is by and large distributed to local, known
> pilots. We =
> cannot control the audience of a national guide.
> >
> > Alternatively, we could participate in a national site guide if
> direction=
> s to the sites were not included. Contact points (only) for the sites
> would=
> allow the passer-through to inquire and establish themselves and
> their cre=
> dentials.
> >
> > It=92s one thing to let someone into your home after they've
> knocked on y=
> our door and quite another to leave your doors wide open even when
> you are =
> not home. It=92s a Pandora=92s box=85 let=92s not go there!
> >
> > Danny Brotto
>
>
>
>
> Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday!
> Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web
>
>
>
>
>
expurgated before we would turn it over to anyone else, so there is
work involved, assuming we decide to participate at all. Given that
the national guide would be inspecific, there would still be a
requirement for a more specific local guide (although I'm not so sure
about letting Maryland pilots know about Virginia sites and vice-versa
- and Lord help us if we let those scruffy West Virginia and
Pennsylvania pilots find out about our sites - and then there are the
damn furriner PG pilots with funny names and accents - prob'ly eat
froglegs, too) - or maybe not, given the tenor of the conversation the
today - maybe we should ditch the regional site guide and just pass
info from campfire to campfire. I do not remember receiving any
checks for site guide sales income in 2004 - but then there's a lot I
don't remember. I have ready retrieval of outgoing CHGPA checks, but
not of individual receipts. (Maybe *I* can get relieved for
malfeasance in office!) Fastest way to find out would be to go through
your own check register... - Hugh
On 5 Mar 2005, at 12:25, Christy Huddle wrote:
> I do the site guide on my Mac in Clarisworks.? The graphics and
> format?probably wouldn't translate well. I have a translation program,
> but haven't tried lately. I'd be willing to translate the stuff, but
> I'm not willing to clean it up.
> ?
> CVHGA gets all the profit?from the sale of each site guide.? Can the
> treasurer of the club tell us how much I've sent in in the last 2
> years?
> ?
> I think we could only hand over the information that is in our club's
> sphere of influence. The?contacts for the other sites should have the
> responsibiilty of deciding if they want their sites listed in the
> national guide.
> ?
> Danny, you should get a new site guide.? I only print 5 at a time, so
> it's always up to date. Will the national one be online only?? Will
> whoever puts it up make a point of having contacts for each site and
> contacting those people to see if there have been changes?? I do this
> from time to time, otherwise I monitor the changes that come up on the
> list server and make them as soon as I hear about them.
> ?
> I'd love to hand over the job of doing the site guide. I started it
> in February 1989, so it's been a while.? If we do contribute to the
> national guide, I imagine sales of our site guide will drop.? I would
> find it difficult to expend the energy doing ours and would prefer
> that it be turned into an electronic guide that you have to pay for
> online.?If this happens, it will have to be someone else handling the
> shipping and updating.
> ?
> Christy
>
> Vant-Hull - Brian <brianvh@umd5.umd.edu> wrote:
>
>
> :
>
>
>
> Pretty much what danny said, but here's what I think would be useful
> in a
> traveller's guide: a description of the sites (to whet the appetite),
> and
> then contact information. No directions other than travel time from
> the
> major cities. That way someone planning a trip can say "so I have a
> 11,000 foot cliff launch I'd like to try within 1.5 hours of Aunt
> Susie;
> let's give these guys a shout and see if I can arrange to go up there
> with
> them."
>
> Do you think the travel guide folks would be amenable to this? I'd
> really
> like to have some new faces come through, but under our supervision.
>
> Brian Vant-Hull
> 301-646-1149
>
> On Sat, 5 Mar 2005, Danny Brotto wrote:
>
> > Agree with Mathew. This same thing came up a dozen or so years ago
> and th=
> e issues then are the same as the issues now. What is to be gained by
> the m=
> id-Atlantic pilots by publishing the information on =93our=94 sites?
> The oc=
> casional passer-through contributes to a flying fee? The downside is
> huge a=
> s an infraction of protocol may result in loss of a site.
> >
> > I suspect most landowners would not want their sites/properties
> published=
> in a national guide.
> >
> > There was a period in my flying career where I was traveling and
> flying l=
> ots of different sites in different parts of the US. I would contact
> the lo=
> cal pilots via the local club or contact people via USHGA referal.
> All of t=
> he local pilots were accommodating and quite open about sharing their
> sites=
> with me after I contacted and established myself with them
> personally. The=
> se contacts sometimes resulted in rides to the site, glider loans,
> and acco=
> mmodations at pilot=92s homes. Likewise I=92ve had dozen=92s of
> pilots who,=
> in town for business, etc., have contacted me to fly the local sites.
> I've=
> alwyas been able to hook them up and get them flying during their
> visits. =
> These pilots tracked me down, referred by USHGA or word-of-mouth.
> Prior int=
> roduction goes a long way to establishing a rapport with your hosts.
> >
> > Thanks Christy for establishing and maintaining a site guide for
> our loca=
> l sites. This guide is by and large distributed to local, known
> pilots. We =
> cannot control the audience of a national guide.
> >
> > Alternatively, we could participate in a national site guide if
> direction=
> s to the sites were not included. Contact points (only) for the sites
> would=
> allow the passer-through to inquire and establish themselves and
> their cre=
> dentials.
> >
> > It=92s one thing to let someone into your home after they've
> knocked on y=
> our door and quite another to leave your doors wide open even when
> you are =
> not home. It=92s a Pandora=92s box=85 let=92s not go there!
> >
> > Danny Brotto
>
>
>
>
> Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday!
> Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web
>
>
>
>
>
National site and travel guide
Christy,
When and if I get rid of the treasurer job, I may be willing to take
the site guide off your hands. I have a Mac. What is Clarisworks? -
Hugh
On 5 Mar 2005, at 12:25, Christy Huddle wrote:
> I do the site guide on my Mac in Clarisworks.? The graphics and
> format?probably wouldn't translate well. I have a translation program,
> but haven't tried lately. I'd be willing to translate the stuff, but
> I'm not willing to clean it up.
> ?
> CVHGA gets all the profit?from the sale of each site guide.? Can the
> treasurer of the club tell us how much I've sent in in the last 2
> years?
> ?
> I think we could only hand over the information that is in our club's
> sphere of influence. The?contacts for the other sites should have the
> responsibiilty of deciding if they want their sites listed in the
> national guide.
> ?
> Danny, you should get a new site guide.? I only print 5 at a time, so
> it's always up to date. Will the national one be online only?? Will
> whoever puts it up make a point of having contacts for each site and
> contacting those people to see if there have been changes?? I do this
> from time to time, otherwise I monitor the changes that come up on the
> list server and make them as soon as I hear about them.
> ?
> I'd love to hand over the job of doing the site guide. I started it
> in February 1989, so it's been a while.? If we do contribute to the
> national guide, I imagine sales of our site guide will drop.? I would
> find it difficult to expend the energy doing ours and would prefer
> that it be turned into an electronic guide that you have to pay for
> online.?If this happens, it will have to be someone else handling the
> shipping and updating.
> ?
> Christy
>
> Vant-Hull - Brian <brianvh@umd5.umd.edu> wrote:
>
>
> :
>
>
>
> Pretty much what danny said, but here's what I think would be useful
> in a
> traveller's guide: a description of the sites (to whet the appetite),
> and
> then contact information. No directions other than travel time from
> the
> major cities. That way someone planning a trip can say "so I have a
> 11,000 foot cliff launch I'd like to try within 1.5 hours of Aunt
> Susie;
> let's give these guys a shout and see if I can arrange to go up there
> with
> them."
>
> Do you think the travel guide folks would be amenable to this? I'd
> really
> like to have some new faces come through, but under our supervision.
>
> Brian Vant-Hull
> 301-646-1149
>
> On Sat, 5 Mar 2005, Danny Brotto wrote:
>
> > Agree with Mathew. This same thing came up a dozen or so years ago
> and th=
> e issues then are the same as the issues now. What is to be gained by
> the m=
> id-Atlantic pilots by publishing the information on =93our=94 sites?
> The oc=
> casional passer-through contributes to a flying fee? The downside is
> huge a=
> s an infraction of protocol may result in loss of a site.
> >
> > I suspect most landowners would not want their sites/properties
> published=
> in a national guide.
> >
> > There was a period in my flying career where I was traveling and
> flying l=
> ots of different sites in different parts of the US. I would contact
> the lo=
> cal pilots via the local club or contact people via USHGA referal.
> All of t=
> he local pilots were accommodating and quite open about sharing their
> sites=
> with me after I contacted and established myself with them
> personally. The=
> se contacts sometimes resulted in rides to the site, glider loans,
> and acco=
> mmodations at pilot=92s homes. Likewise I=92ve had dozen=92s of
> pilots who,=
> in town for business, etc., have contacted me to fly the local sites.
> I've=
> alwyas been able to hook them up and get them flying during their
> visits. =
> These pilots tracked me down, referred by USHGA or word-of-mouth.
> Prior int=
> roduction goes a long way to establishing a rapport with your hosts.
> >
> > Thanks Christy for establishing and maintaining a site guide for
> our loca=
> l sites. This guide is by and large distributed to local, known
> pilots. We =
> cannot control the audience of a national guide.
> >
> > Alternatively, we could participate in a national site guide if
> direction=
> s to the sites were not included. Contact points (only) for the sites
> would=
> allow the passer-through to inquire and establish themselves and
> their cre=
> dentials.
> >
> > It=92s one thing to let someone into your home after they've
> knocked on y=
> our door and quite another to leave your doors wide open even when
> you are =
> not home. It=92s a Pandora=92s box=85 let=92s not go there!
> >
> > Danny Brotto
>
>
>
>
> Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday!
> Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web
>
>
>
>
>
When and if I get rid of the treasurer job, I may be willing to take
the site guide off your hands. I have a Mac. What is Clarisworks? -
Hugh
On 5 Mar 2005, at 12:25, Christy Huddle wrote:
> I do the site guide on my Mac in Clarisworks.? The graphics and
> format?probably wouldn't translate well. I have a translation program,
> but haven't tried lately. I'd be willing to translate the stuff, but
> I'm not willing to clean it up.
> ?
> CVHGA gets all the profit?from the sale of each site guide.? Can the
> treasurer of the club tell us how much I've sent in in the last 2
> years?
> ?
> I think we could only hand over the information that is in our club's
> sphere of influence. The?contacts for the other sites should have the
> responsibiilty of deciding if they want their sites listed in the
> national guide.
> ?
> Danny, you should get a new site guide.? I only print 5 at a time, so
> it's always up to date. Will the national one be online only?? Will
> whoever puts it up make a point of having contacts for each site and
> contacting those people to see if there have been changes?? I do this
> from time to time, otherwise I monitor the changes that come up on the
> list server and make them as soon as I hear about them.
> ?
> I'd love to hand over the job of doing the site guide. I started it
> in February 1989, so it's been a while.? If we do contribute to the
> national guide, I imagine sales of our site guide will drop.? I would
> find it difficult to expend the energy doing ours and would prefer
> that it be turned into an electronic guide that you have to pay for
> online.?If this happens, it will have to be someone else handling the
> shipping and updating.
> ?
> Christy
>
> Vant-Hull - Brian <brianvh@umd5.umd.edu> wrote:
>
>
> :
>
>
>
> Pretty much what danny said, but here's what I think would be useful
> in a
> traveller's guide: a description of the sites (to whet the appetite),
> and
> then contact information. No directions other than travel time from
> the
> major cities. That way someone planning a trip can say "so I have a
> 11,000 foot cliff launch I'd like to try within 1.5 hours of Aunt
> Susie;
> let's give these guys a shout and see if I can arrange to go up there
> with
> them."
>
> Do you think the travel guide folks would be amenable to this? I'd
> really
> like to have some new faces come through, but under our supervision.
>
> Brian Vant-Hull
> 301-646-1149
>
> On Sat, 5 Mar 2005, Danny Brotto wrote:
>
> > Agree with Mathew. This same thing came up a dozen or so years ago
> and th=
> e issues then are the same as the issues now. What is to be gained by
> the m=
> id-Atlantic pilots by publishing the information on =93our=94 sites?
> The oc=
> casional passer-through contributes to a flying fee? The downside is
> huge a=
> s an infraction of protocol may result in loss of a site.
> >
> > I suspect most landowners would not want their sites/properties
> published=
> in a national guide.
> >
> > There was a period in my flying career where I was traveling and
> flying l=
> ots of different sites in different parts of the US. I would contact
> the lo=
> cal pilots via the local club or contact people via USHGA referal.
> All of t=
> he local pilots were accommodating and quite open about sharing their
> sites=
> with me after I contacted and established myself with them
> personally. The=
> se contacts sometimes resulted in rides to the site, glider loans,
> and acco=
> mmodations at pilot=92s homes. Likewise I=92ve had dozen=92s of
> pilots who,=
> in town for business, etc., have contacted me to fly the local sites.
> I've=
> alwyas been able to hook them up and get them flying during their
> visits. =
> These pilots tracked me down, referred by USHGA or word-of-mouth.
> Prior int=
> roduction goes a long way to establishing a rapport with your hosts.
> >
> > Thanks Christy for establishing and maintaining a site guide for
> our loca=
> l sites. This guide is by and large distributed to local, known
> pilots. We =
> cannot control the audience of a national guide.
> >
> > Alternatively, we could participate in a national site guide if
> direction=
> s to the sites were not included. Contact points (only) for the sites
> would=
> allow the passer-through to inquire and establish themselves and
> their cre=
> dentials.
> >
> > It=92s one thing to let someone into your home after they've
> knocked on y=
> our door and quite another to leave your doors wide open even when
> you are =
> not home. It=92s a Pandora=92s box=85 let=92s not go there!
> >
> > Danny Brotto
>
>
>
>
> Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday!
> Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web
>
>
>
>
>
National site and travel guide
Clarisworks is (was?) to Mac what Microsoft Office is to PC.
Look forward to you taking it off my hands. Make sure you understand just what it means. I'll explain it to you when you think you're ready to take it on, if not before.
Christy
mcelrah@verizon.net wrote:
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Look forward to you taking it off my hands. Make sure you understand just what it means. I'll explain it to you when you think you're ready to take it on, if not before.
Christy
mcelrah@verizon.net wrote:
Do you Yahoo!?Christy,
When and if I get rid of the treasurer job, I may be willing to take
the site guide off your hands. I have a Mac. What is Clarisworks? -
Hugh
On 5 Mar 2005, at 12:25, Christy Huddle wrote:
> I do the site guide on my Mac in Clarisworks.? The graphics and
> format?probably wouldn't translate well. I have a translation program,
> but haven't tried lately. I'd be willing to translate the stuff, but
> I'm not willing to clean it up.
> ?
> CVHGA gets all the profit?from the sale of each site guide.? Can the
> treasurer of the club tell us how much I've sent in in the last 2
> years?
> ?
> I think we could only hand over the information that is in our club's
> sphere of influence. The?contacts for the other sites should have the
> responsibiilty of deciding if they want their sites listed in the
> national guide.
> ?
> Danny, you should get a new site guide.? I only print 5 at a time, so
> it's always up to date. Will the national one be online only?? Will
> whoever puts it up make a point of having contacts for each site and
> contacting those people to see if there have been changes?? I do this
> from time to time, otherwise I monitor the changes that come up on the
> list server and make them as soon as I hear about them.
> ?
> I'd love to hand over the job of doing the site guide. I started it
> in February 1989, so it's been a while.? If we do contribute to the
> national guide, I imagine sales of our site guide will drop.? I would
> find it difficult to expend the energy doing ours and would prefer
> that it be turned into an electronic guide that you have to pay for
> online.?If this happens, it will have to be someone else handling the
> shipping and updating.
> ?
> Christy
>
> Vant-Hull - Brian wrote:
>
>
> :
>
>
>
> Pretty much what danny said, but here's what I think would be useful
> in a
> traveller's guide: a description of the sites (to whet the appetite),
> and
> then contact information. No directions other than travel time from
> the
> major cities. That way someone planning a trip can say "so I have a
> 11,000 foot cliff launch I'd like to try within 1.5 hours of Aunt
> Susie;
> let's give these guys a shout and see if I can arrange to go up there
> with
> them."
>
> Do you think the travel guide folks would be amenable to this? I'd
> really
> like to have some new faces come through, but under our supervision.
>
> Brian Vant-Hull
> 301-646-1149
>
> On Sat, 5 Mar 2005, Danny Brotto wrote:
>
> > Agree with Mathew. This same thing came up a dozen or so years ago
> and th=
> e issues then are the same as the issues now. What is to be gained by
> the m=
> id-Atlantic pilots by publishing the information on =93our=94 sites?
> The oc=
> casional passer-through contributes to a flying fee? The downside is
> huge a=
> s an infraction of protocol may result in loss of a site.
> >
> > I suspect most landowners would not want their sites/properties
> published=
> in a national guide.
> >
> > There was a period in my flying career where I was traveling and
> flying l=
> ots of different sites in different parts of the US. I would contact
> the lo=
> cal pilots via the local club or contact people via USHGA referal.
> All of t=
> he local pilots were accommodating and quite open about sharing their
> sites=
> with me after I contacted and established myself with them
> personally. The=
> se contacts sometimes resulted in rides to the site, glider loans,
> and acco=
> mmodations at pilot=92s homes. Likewise I=92ve had dozen=92s of
> pilots who,=
> in town for business, etc., have contacted me to fly the local sites.
> I've=
> alwyas been able to hook them up and get them flying during their
> visits. =
> These pilots tracked me down, referred by USHGA or word-of-mouth.
> Prior int=
> roduction goes a long way to establishing a rapport with your hosts.
> >
> > Thanks Christy for establishing and maintaining a site guide for
> our loca=
> l sites. This guide is by and large distributed to local, known
> pilots. We =
> cannot control the audience of a national guide.
> >
> > Alternatively, we could participate in a national site guide if
> direction=
> s to the sites were not included. Contact points (only) for the sites
> would=
> allow the passer-through to inquire and establish themselves and
> their cre=
> dentials.
> >
> > It=92s one thing to let someone into your home after they've
> knocked on y=
> our door and quite another to leave your doors wide open even when
> you are =
> not home. It=92s a Pandora=92s box=85 let=92s not go there!
> >
> > Danny Brotto
>
>
>
>
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National site and travel guide
Hugh,
Thanks for the offer...very glad to know we have a candidate to relieve Christy of this task. After 16 years of providing this service, Christy should never have to buy a drink in the presence of other pilots!
A national, online guide could eventually replace our own if the folks with local knowledge have easy access to update the protocol for the sites under their purview. Until/unless that happens, our guide remains a hugely important asset.
~D
-----Original Message-----
From: mcelrah@verizon.net [mailto:mcelrah@verizon.net]
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 6:57 PM
To: hg_forum@chgpa.org
Subject: Re: National site and travel guide
Christy,
When and if I get rid of the treasurer job, I may be willing to take
the site guide off your hands. I have a Mac. What is Clarisworks? -
Hugh
On 5 Mar 2005, at 12:25, Christy Huddle wrote:
> I do the site guide on my Mac in Clarisworks. The graphics and
> format probably wouldn't translate well. I have a translation program,
> but haven't tried lately. I'd be willing to translate the stuff, but
> I'm not willing to clean it up.
>
> CVHGA gets all the profit from the sale of each site guide. Can the
> treasurer of the club tell us how much I've sent in in the last 2
> years?
>
> I think we could only hand over the information that is in our club's
> sphere of influence. The contacts for the other sites should have the
> responsibiilty of deciding if they want their sites listed in the
> national guide.
>
> Danny, you should get a new site guide. I only print 5 at a time, so
> it's always up to date. Will the national one be online only? Will
> whoever puts it up make a point of having contacts for each site and
> contacting those people to see if there have been changes? I do this
> from time to time, otherwise I monitor the changes that come up on the
> list server and make them as soon as I hear about them.
>
> I'd love to hand over the job of doing the site guide. I started it
> in February 1989, so it's been a while. If we do contribute to the
> national guide, I imagine sales of our site guide will drop. I would
> find it difficult to expend the energy doing ours and would prefer
> that it be turned into an electronic guide that you have to pay for
> online. If this happens, it will have to be someone else handling the
> shipping and updating.
>
> Christy
>
> Vant-Hull - Brian <brianvh@umd5.umd.edu> wrote:
>
>
> :
>
>
>
> Pretty much what danny said, but here's what I think would be useful
> in a
> traveller's guide: a description of the sites (to whet the appetite),
> and
> then contact information. No directions other than travel time from
> the
> major cities. That way someone planning a trip can say "so I have a
> 11,000 foot cliff launch I'd like to try within 1.5 hours of Aunt
> Susie;
> let's give these guys a shout and see if I can arrange to go up there
> with
> them."
>
> Do you think the travel guide folks would be amenable to this? I'd
> really
> like to have some new faces come through, but under our supervision.
>
> Brian Vant-Hull
> 301-646-1149
>
> On Sat, 5 Mar 2005, Danny Brotto wrote:
>
> > Agree with Mathew. This same thing came up a dozen or so years ago
> and th=
> e issues then are the same as the issues now. What is to be gained by
> the m=
> id-Atlantic pilots by publishing the information on =93our=94 sites?
> The oc=
> casional passer-through contributes to a flying fee? The downside is
> huge a=
> s an infraction of protocol may result in loss of a site.
> >
> > I suspect most landowners would not want their sites/properties
> published=
> in a national guide.
> >
> > There was a period in my flying career where I was traveling and
> flying l=
> ots of different sites in different parts of the US. I would contact
> the lo=
> cal pilots via the local club or contact people via USHGA referal.
> All of t=
> he local pilots were accommodating and quite open about sharing their
> sites=
> with me after I contacted and established myself with them
> personally. The=
> se contacts sometimes resulted in rides to the site, glider loans,
> and acco=
> mmodations at pilot=92s homes. Likewise I=92ve had dozen=92s of
> pilots who,=
> in town for business, etc., have contacted me to fly the local sites.
> I've=
> alwyas been able to hook them up and get them flying during their
> visits. =
> These pilots tracked me down, referred by USHGA or word-of-mouth.
> Prior int=
> roduction goes a long way to establishing a rapport with your hosts.
> >
> > Thanks Christy for establishing and maintaining a site guide for
> our loca=
> l sites. This guide is by and large distributed to local, known
> pilots. We =
> cannot control the audience of a national guide.
> >
> > Alternatively, we could participate in a national site guide if
> direction=
> s to the sites were not included. Contact points (only) for the sites
> would=
> allow the passer-through to inquire and establish themselves and
> their cre=
> dentials.
> >
> > It=92s one thing to let someone into your home after they've
> knocked on y=
> our door and quite another to leave your doors wide open even when
> you are =
> not home. It=92s a Pandora=92s box=85 let=92s not go there!
> >
> > Danny Brotto
>
>
>
>
> Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday!
> Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web
>
>
>
>
>
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Thanks for the offer...very glad to know we have a candidate to relieve Christy of this task. After 16 years of providing this service, Christy should never have to buy a drink in the presence of other pilots!
A national, online guide could eventually replace our own if the folks with local knowledge have easy access to update the protocol for the sites under their purview. Until/unless that happens, our guide remains a hugely important asset.
~D
-----Original Message-----
From: mcelrah@verizon.net [mailto:mcelrah@verizon.net]
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 6:57 PM
To: hg_forum@chgpa.org
Subject: Re: National site and travel guide
Christy,
When and if I get rid of the treasurer job, I may be willing to take
the site guide off your hands. I have a Mac. What is Clarisworks? -
Hugh
On 5 Mar 2005, at 12:25, Christy Huddle wrote:
> I do the site guide on my Mac in Clarisworks. The graphics and
> format probably wouldn't translate well. I have a translation program,
> but haven't tried lately. I'd be willing to translate the stuff, but
> I'm not willing to clean it up.
>
> CVHGA gets all the profit from the sale of each site guide. Can the
> treasurer of the club tell us how much I've sent in in the last 2
> years?
>
> I think we could only hand over the information that is in our club's
> sphere of influence. The contacts for the other sites should have the
> responsibiilty of deciding if they want their sites listed in the
> national guide.
>
> Danny, you should get a new site guide. I only print 5 at a time, so
> it's always up to date. Will the national one be online only? Will
> whoever puts it up make a point of having contacts for each site and
> contacting those people to see if there have been changes? I do this
> from time to time, otherwise I monitor the changes that come up on the
> list server and make them as soon as I hear about them.
>
> I'd love to hand over the job of doing the site guide. I started it
> in February 1989, so it's been a while. If we do contribute to the
> national guide, I imagine sales of our site guide will drop. I would
> find it difficult to expend the energy doing ours and would prefer
> that it be turned into an electronic guide that you have to pay for
> online. If this happens, it will have to be someone else handling the
> shipping and updating.
>
> Christy
>
> Vant-Hull - Brian <brianvh@umd5.umd.edu> wrote:
>
>
> :
>
>
>
> Pretty much what danny said, but here's what I think would be useful
> in a
> traveller's guide: a description of the sites (to whet the appetite),
> and
> then contact information. No directions other than travel time from
> the
> major cities. That way someone planning a trip can say "so I have a
> 11,000 foot cliff launch I'd like to try within 1.5 hours of Aunt
> Susie;
> let's give these guys a shout and see if I can arrange to go up there
> with
> them."
>
> Do you think the travel guide folks would be amenable to this? I'd
> really
> like to have some new faces come through, but under our supervision.
>
> Brian Vant-Hull
> 301-646-1149
>
> On Sat, 5 Mar 2005, Danny Brotto wrote:
>
> > Agree with Mathew. This same thing came up a dozen or so years ago
> and th=
> e issues then are the same as the issues now. What is to be gained by
> the m=
> id-Atlantic pilots by publishing the information on =93our=94 sites?
> The oc=
> casional passer-through contributes to a flying fee? The downside is
> huge a=
> s an infraction of protocol may result in loss of a site.
> >
> > I suspect most landowners would not want their sites/properties
> published=
> in a national guide.
> >
> > There was a period in my flying career where I was traveling and
> flying l=
> ots of different sites in different parts of the US. I would contact
> the lo=
> cal pilots via the local club or contact people via USHGA referal.
> All of t=
> he local pilots were accommodating and quite open about sharing their
> sites=
> with me after I contacted and established myself with them
> personally. The=
> se contacts sometimes resulted in rides to the site, glider loans,
> and acco=
> mmodations at pilot=92s homes. Likewise I=92ve had dozen=92s of
> pilots who,=
> in town for business, etc., have contacted me to fly the local sites.
> I've=
> alwyas been able to hook them up and get them flying during their
> visits. =
> These pilots tracked me down, referred by USHGA or word-of-mouth.
> Prior int=
> roduction goes a long way to establishing a rapport with your hosts.
> >
> > Thanks Christy for establishing and maintaining a site guide for
> our loca=
> l sites. This guide is by and large distributed to local, known
> pilots. We =
> cannot control the audience of a national guide.
> >
> > Alternatively, we could participate in a national site guide if
> direction=
> s to the sites were not included. Contact points (only) for the sites
> would=
> allow the passer-through to inquire and establish themselves and
> their cre=
> dentials.
> >
> > It=92s one thing to let someone into your home after they've
> knocked on y=
> our door and quite another to leave your doors wide open even when
> you are =
> not home. It=92s a Pandora=92s box=85 let=92s not go there!
> >
> > Danny Brotto
>
>
>
>
> Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday!
> Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web
>
>
>
>
>
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National site and travel guide
Keep in mind that some pilots will not want their sites on the national online guide.? I've already received an email from a pilot who has told me he will not be willing to have their club's sites listed.? So even with an online site guide, if you want a complete list of local sites, you'll have to have another method of getting the info out there.
Christy
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__________________________________________________Hugh,
Thanks for the offer...very glad to know we have a candidate to relieve Christy of this task. After 16 years of providing this service, Christy should never have to buy a drink in the presence of other pilots!
A national, online guide could eventually replace our own if the folks with local knowledge have easy access to update the protocol for the sites under their purview. Until/unless that happens, our guide remains a hugely important asset.
~D
-----Original Message-----
From: mcelrah@verizon.net [mailto:mcelrah@verizon.net]
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 6:57 PM
To: hg_forum@chgpa.org
Subject: Re: National site and travel guide
Christy,
When and if I get rid of the treasurer job, I may be willing to take
the site guide off your hands. I have a Mac. What is Clarisworks? -
Hugh
On 5 Mar 2005, at 12:25, Christy Huddle wrote:
> I do the site guide on my Mac in Clarisworks. The graphics and
> format probably wouldn't translate well. I have a translation program,
> but haven't tried lately. I'd be willing to translate the stuff, but
> I'm not willing to clean it up.
>
> CVHGA gets all the profit from the sale of each site guide. Can the
> treasurer of the club tell us how much I've sent in in the last 2
> years?
>
> I think we could only hand over the information that is in our club's
> sphere of influence. The contacts for the other sites should have the
> responsibiilty of deciding if they want their sites listed in the
> national guide.
>
> Danny, you should get a new site guide. I only print 5 at a time, so
> it's always up to date. Will the national one be online only? Will
> whoever puts it up make a point of having contacts for each site and
> contacting those people to see if there have been changes? I do this
> from time to time, otherwise I monitor the changes that come up on the
> list server and make them as soon as I hear about them.
>
> I'd love to hand over the job of doing the site guide. I started it
> in February 1989, so it's been a while. If we do contribute to the
> national guide, I imagine sales of our site guide will drop. I would
> find it difficult to expend the energy doing ours and would prefer
> that it be turned into an electronic guide that you have to pay for
> online. If this happens, it will have to be someone else handling the
> shipping and updating.
>
> Christy
>
> Vant-Hull - Brian wrote:
>
>
> :
>
>
>
> Pretty much what danny said, but here's what I think would be useful
> in a
> traveller's guide: a description of the sites (to whet the appetite),
> and
> then contact information. No directions other than travel time from
> the
> major cities. That way someone planning a trip can say "so I have a
> 11,000 foot cliff launch I'd like to try within 1.5 hours of Aunt
> Susie;
> let's give these guys a shout and see if I can arrange to go up there
> with
> them."
>
> Do you think the travel guide folks would be amenable to this? I'd
> really
> like to have some new faces come through, but under our supervision.
>
> Brian Vant-Hull
> 301-646-1149
>
> On Sat, 5 Mar 2005, Danny Brotto wrote:
>
> > Agree with Mathew. This same thing came up a dozen or so years ago
> and th=
> e issues then are the same as the issues now. What is to be gained by
> the m=
> id-Atlantic pilots by publishing the information on =93our=94 sites?
> The oc=
> casional passer-through contributes to a flying fee? The downside is
> huge a=
> s an infraction of protocol may result in loss of a site.
> >
> > I suspect most landowners would not want their sites/properties
> published=
> in a national guide.
> >
> > There was a period in my flying career where I was traveling and
> flying l=
> ots of different sites in different parts of the US. I would contact
> the lo=
> cal pilots via the local club or contact people via USHGA referal.
> All of t=
> he local pilots were accommodating and quite open about sharing their
> sites=
> with me after I contacted and established myself with them
> personally. The=
> se contacts sometimes resulted in rides to the site, glider loans,
> and acco=
> mmodations at pilot=92s homes. Likewise I=92ve had dozen=92s of
> pilots who,=
> in town for business, etc., have contacted me to fly the local sites.
> I've=
> alwyas been able to hook them up and get them flying during their
> visits. =
> These pilots tracked me down, referred by USHGA or word-of-mouth.
> Prior int=
> roduction goes a long way to establishing a rapport with your hosts.
> >
> > Thanks Christy for establishing and maintaining a site guide for
> our loca=
> l sites. This guide is by and large distributed to local, known
> pilots. We =
> cannot control the audience of a national guide.
> >
> > Alternatively, we could participate in a national site guide if
> direction=
> s to the sites were not included. Contact points (only) for the sites
> would=
> allow the passer-through to inquire and establish themselves and
> their cre=
> dentials.
> >
> > It=92s one thing to let someone into your home after they've
> knocked on y=
> our door and quite another to leave your doors wide open even when
> you are =
> not home. It=92s a Pandora=92s box=85 let=92s not go there!
> >
> > Danny Brotto
>
>
>
>
> Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday!
> Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web
>
>
>
>
>
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