Check out the instrument package on this “Sweet Ride”. Danny and/or Hugh what is the significance of the reddish blebs around the edge of the circle in the center panel? Plus, details about any other soaring instruments/candy or about his wing will also be appreciated. Is that a trim tab that he’s adjusting with his left hand? Ward
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hze9WUSlzxk
PS: On the road or - “in the thermal”, how many $K including the rag he’s flying are we talking about?
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Danny Brotto
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Re: Off Topic -> Sailplane Soaring Tools
Okay Ward, here goes...
There's a lot going on in that very modern and comprehensive panel... too much for me to explain in any detail in a reasonable time. Here is what's going on with some link some links to the sites for more detail info... Google the rest
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Glider is a SCHLEICHER ASW-27B. Not really in production anymore. You can get one but most people buying new gliders are getting 18 meter ships. The 27 was/is a cutting edge 15 meter flapped glider... can be had used with trailer and a decent panel for ~$85K. You can find gliders for sale here: http://www.wingsandwheels.com/wantads1.htm
The panel in the particular 27 has all high end stuff and is way above typical... only thing missing is the fuzzy dice... Here goes:
That little post sticking up in the middle of the cowling is the antenna for a Power Flarm glider collision avoidance system. Google FLARM or POWER FLARM. It's a brick unit (electronics only, no dedicated display on this one) likely driving one of the (many) vario/flight computer displays.
Big thing in the middle is a flight computer/navigation system called an "Ultimate". It's running "See You Mobile" navigation software... see http://craggyaero.com/ultimates.htm and
http://www.naviter.com/products/seeyou-mobile/
That display with the red blobs is the "thermal assistant" screen with the arrow pointing to the best lift while thermaling. I run SeeYou Mobile too but don't think the thermal assistant works too well. The latest software release has a thermal assistant that's supposed to be a big improvement.
Upper left is a Butteryfly vario: http://www.butterfly-avionics.com/butte ... variometer
Below that is a LXNAV V3 or V7 vario or another one of these: http://www.lxnav.com/products/lxnav-varios.html
Middle below the Ultimate are Becker (I think) radio and transponder.
Top right instrument is a 57mm airspeed indicator.
Below that is a 57mm altimeter.
On the left "ledge" of the cowling is a NANO flight recorder: http://www.lxnav.com/products/nano.html
To the right of his right leg is a Mountain High EDS Pulse O2 System: http://www.mhoxygen.com/index.php/portable-pulse-demand
As far as his left hand movement, not sure what you are talking about but the spoilers and flaps are located there; trim is on the stick.
Hope goggling all those sites keeps you occupied and off the streets for a while!
BTW, that panel would be valued at ~$15K.
Danny Brotto
PS: The tubing in the pilot's lap is a urine relief system... you asked.
There's a lot going on in that very modern and comprehensive panel... too much for me to explain in any detail in a reasonable time. Here is what's going on with some link some links to the sites for more detail info... Google the rest
.Glider is a SCHLEICHER ASW-27B. Not really in production anymore. You can get one but most people buying new gliders are getting 18 meter ships. The 27 was/is a cutting edge 15 meter flapped glider... can be had used with trailer and a decent panel for ~$85K. You can find gliders for sale here: http://www.wingsandwheels.com/wantads1.htm
The panel in the particular 27 has all high end stuff and is way above typical... only thing missing is the fuzzy dice
... Here goes:That little post sticking up in the middle of the cowling is the antenna for a Power Flarm glider collision avoidance system. Google FLARM or POWER FLARM. It's a brick unit (electronics only, no dedicated display on this one) likely driving one of the (many) vario/flight computer displays.
Big thing in the middle is a flight computer/navigation system called an "Ultimate". It's running "See You Mobile" navigation software... see http://craggyaero.com/ultimates.htm and
http://www.naviter.com/products/seeyou-mobile/
That display with the red blobs is the "thermal assistant" screen with the arrow pointing to the best lift while thermaling. I run SeeYou Mobile too but don't think the thermal assistant works too well. The latest software release has a thermal assistant that's supposed to be a big improvement.
Upper left is a Butteryfly vario: http://www.butterfly-avionics.com/butte ... variometer
Below that is a LXNAV V3 or V7 vario or another one of these: http://www.lxnav.com/products/lxnav-varios.html
Middle below the Ultimate are Becker (I think) radio and transponder.
Top right instrument is a 57mm airspeed indicator.
Below that is a 57mm altimeter.
On the left "ledge" of the cowling is a NANO flight recorder: http://www.lxnav.com/products/nano.html
To the right of his right leg is a Mountain High EDS Pulse O2 System: http://www.mhoxygen.com/index.php/portable-pulse-demand
As far as his left hand movement, not sure what you are talking about but the spoilers and flaps are located there; trim is on the stick.
Hope goggling all those sites keeps you occupied and off the streets for a while!
BTW, that panel would be valued at ~$15K.
Danny Brotto
PS: The tubing in the pilot's lap is a urine relief system... you asked.
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Ward Odenwald
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Re: Off Topic -> Sailplane Soaring Tools
Danny, the extent and depth of your info is awesome, to say the least. Thanks! “To the right of his right leg is a Mountain High EDS Pulse O2 System:” - is that the dial that he is occasionally manually turning? and,” As far as his left hand movement . . ” if he's adjusting flaps, when he moves the control forward - his nose drops so my impression is that when he enters some of the thermals, he's adjusting/reducing his flaps. I may have this sequence backwards but given how frequently he used this adjustment, it appears important to max thermal climbs. What do you do?
Thanks again! Ward
Thanks again! Ward
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Danny Brotto
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Re: Off Topic -> Sailplane Soaring Tools
That's a long video so not sure when these pilot actions are actually happening but here goes...
The EDS O2 system is the rectangular box with the red, silver, and green faceplate in the lower right of the screen. It does not have any dials. You may be speaking about the eyeball air vent which is turned to allow more or less air into the cockpit for ventilation and pilot comfort. There is also a mechanical push/pull control on the cowling to open/close ventilation to the inside canopy acting as primarily as a defogger.
Flaps are adjusted to increase/decrease the camber profile of the wing. So in cruise mode, the flaps are set negative or pointing upward to better match the angle of attack. This minimizes drag in cruising flight allowing the glider to scoot along. The faster you want to go, the more negative flap you'll want to use. In climbing flight, the flaps are set positive or pointing down providing more effective camber and lift. Of course with more lift, there is more drag so you'll want to take the positive flap out in cruising flight. Different gliders have different numbers of flap settings. I think the 27 has a landing flap, two thermal flap, and 3 or 4 cruise flap settings.
I fly a "standard class" ship which does not have flaps. The trailing edge is set to optimize a balance between cruising and climbing flight. Standard class gliders typically have more wing area that flapped gliders. I typically can out climb a flapped glider but they will pull away from me at high speeds say about 85 knots. In east coast conditions, modern flapped and unflapped gliders are competitive against each other unless it's really strong or it's a ridge day.
Danny Brotto
The EDS O2 system is the rectangular box with the red, silver, and green faceplate in the lower right of the screen. It does not have any dials. You may be speaking about the eyeball air vent which is turned to allow more or less air into the cockpit for ventilation and pilot comfort. There is also a mechanical push/pull control on the cowling to open/close ventilation to the inside canopy acting as primarily as a defogger.
Flaps are adjusted to increase/decrease the camber profile of the wing. So in cruise mode, the flaps are set negative or pointing upward to better match the angle of attack. This minimizes drag in cruising flight allowing the glider to scoot along. The faster you want to go, the more negative flap you'll want to use. In climbing flight, the flaps are set positive or pointing down providing more effective camber and lift. Of course with more lift, there is more drag so you'll want to take the positive flap out in cruising flight. Different gliders have different numbers of flap settings. I think the 27 has a landing flap, two thermal flap, and 3 or 4 cruise flap settings.
I fly a "standard class" ship which does not have flaps. The trailing edge is set to optimize a balance between cruising and climbing flight. Standard class gliders typically have more wing area that flapped gliders. I typically can out climb a flapped glider but they will pull away from me at high speeds say about 85 knots. In east coast conditions, modern flapped and unflapped gliders are competitive against each other unless it's really strong or it's a ridge day.
Danny Brotto