Daniels Sunday 2/13

[deveil]

wish i had a wife such as that - mine would be egging on the other side

garyD

(nobody loves me but my momma - an' she could be lyin' too )

[dbodner]

nobody loves me but my momma

At least your momma loves you. My wife and momma gang up against me.

[deveil]

dude! you disappoint me. there was a great setup there. i knew you couldn't resist but i was expecting more in the line of "what, you can blame her"?

[deveil]

At least your momma loves you. My wife and momma gang up against me.

what, you can bame them?

(you expected *me* to resist?)

[dbodner]

I preferred to one-up you, instead.

[lbunner]

It's too bad that Matthew's message as you and he perceive it, doesn't come across that way. For me it is almost like "I can't play so I don't want you to either". Maybe a different strategy would be warranted if the real intent is to ensure the safety of the pilots around here. For me the message gets diluted by the sarcasm and general disregard for other pilots and their abilities. Ann's response gets to the point and was very clear for me. I hope newbie pilots understand her message. I'm not trying to incite but merely trying to get clarity so I apologize if this is taken the wrong way.

Be safe, have fun.

[RichH]

I didn't take Matthews message at all that way..I think he is just concerned about the safety of other pilots..I find his direct approach actually a bit refreshing ..Everyone wants the same result to utilize this forum as a educational resource..I applaud individuals who post their flights on this forum and then spark anaylsis..its from that we get better as pilots..and I also applaud those who are willing to offer suggestions and advice...Hope we can all learn from the experience of others!! Rich Hiegel

[lbunner]

I was just suggesting that the sarcasm tends to mask the message. You were able to read through it but others may not.

[XCanytime]

I'm a little doubtful at this point that anything he says will keep Bacil home, though... maybe just don't post on the forum that you are going anywhere (if forecast is for gusty winds), so H-2's don't get the idea that it's safe to fly???

Ann

Any pilot worth his or her salt should KNOW the recommended operating limitations for their rating by heart, especially Hang 2s! Hang 2s should fly only in smooth winds of 18 MPH or less and gusty winds of 11 MPH. Hang 3s should only fly in winds of 25 MPH or less, with a gust differential of 10 MPH or less. So if the Hang 2 looked at yesterday's forecast for a spot near Daniels, such as Charlottesville, the Hang 2 should have seen whether the forecast was within their recommended operating limitations. One chose to bail, another hoped for a late day flight if a reduction in the wind speed did occur. Hopefully they both know by heart what I just typed above.

One of the main purposes of this forum is to let pilots know where each other plans on flying. It simplifies the logistics, allows the pilot to know he won't be flying alone, etc. etc. Why on earth would you want to keep where you are going a secret? Just because another may question your sanity with sarcasm? We should be in this business to help and mentor the less experienced pilots. They are the future.

Bacil

[XCanytime]

There is harm in going to a site if you feel you are wasting your day if you don't fly (tempted).

Ann

A very good point. To have that attitude that you are wasting your day if you don't fly is a hazardous attitude. The attitude that a day at a flying site is never wasted even if you don't fly is a beneficial attitude. There is an opportunity to gather information on what the actual conditions turned out to be versus the forecast, so that in the future if the same pattern occurs, then you might be able to predict what the weather might actually be. Watching streamers installed in the launch area and checking out the air's behavior over time provides you with more information. Listening to the sound of the wind in the trees and taking actual measurements on launch can allow you to judge general conditions in the future merely by the sounds if you don't have a windmeter with you. There is so much to learn about a site and its behaviors and peculiarities in differing conditions that can only be learned by GOING there and observing, and not necessarily flying. Bacil

[uplandann]

uplandann wrote:

"I'm a little doubtful at this point that anything he says will keep Bacil home, though... maybe just don't post on the forum that you are going anywhere (if forecast is for gusty winds), so H-2's don't get the idea that it's safe to fly???" (So maybe I should have used a laugh there, or a wink ..)

I was sort of kidding, Bacil. ... I'm just seeing this snake eating it's tail for what it is. I'm not choosing sides. There is the forecast and there is reality. There is what could happen, and what actually happens.
Why on earth would I want you to stop using the forum?

Karen wrote:

He is very concerned about the possibility of someone getting injured and worried that new pilots might get a false idea of what safe conditions are.

Speaking for myself, I looked at the conditions and saw it could get windy in the morning, and I wasn't feeling well the night before. I am well aware of my skill difference, and what conditions I am comfortable with. I pour over as many forecasts as I can find for the area and compare them. I go out to see what actually happens and I choose light conditions to fly in. I don't know if that is any consolation or not.

I went out to a training site (not to fly) once when the forecast was for west winds at 15-20 mph. not to fly, just to observe the conditions. I stayed out there most of the day, and the wind was dead calm, with occational puffs from the south. Go figure...

Ann

[uplandann]

H-2's and P-2s if you don't already have one, get one, use it.
The Robertson's Chart of Reliability is a wonderful resource to use in managing the risks of flying.

"Robertson's Charts of Reliability" by Michael Robertson
Available from the USHPA office

Ann