harness Question

Post by **hepcat1989** » Mon May 30, 2005 10:56 am

It's 10:30 or so, sse@3 rain coming in soon, so I'm going over my equipment. I look at my harness/ carabiner, and relize what would happen if your carabiner failed! My chute, and harness are linked by the carabiner. What would be the fix to link them together? Thanks, Shawn

Post by **dbodner** » Mon May 30, 2005 11:24 am

You now realize the carabiner is a single point of failure.? That's why we fly with steel, not aluminum. ? Don't think there's ever been a steel carabiner failure vs. maybe a couple with aluminum.
On May 30, 2005, at 10:56 AM, hepcat1989 wrote:

It's 10:30 or so, sse@3 rain coming in soon, so I'm going over my equipment. I look at my harness/ carabiner, and relize what would happen if your carabiner failed! My chute, and harness are linked by the carabiner. What would be the fix to link them together? Thanks, Shawn

Post by **XCanytime** » Mon May 30, 2005 11:35 am

Shawn,
???? You can fly with a second steel carabiner that links the chute bridle and the harness main, in case the main 'biner fails.

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Post by **Matthew** » Mon May 30, 2005 11:39 am

Shawn,

You can either--

A. Use two caribiners

or

B. Attach your harness main to you parchute bridle with a separate steel screw locking oval ring. You can pick these up at any hardware store and they are rated for 1000s of pounds of dynamic load. If you have a biner failure, your harness is then still attached to you parachute.

Matthew

Post by **hepcat1989** » Mon May 30, 2005 1:04 pm

thanks, so if I use 2 biner's the one linking main, and bridle will be hanging lose? I mean not run to the hang strap. Shawn.

Post by **Matthew** » Mon May 30, 2005 1:17 pm

Shawn,

You can do it either way. You can run two biners through everything, including hooking the second biner to the hang strap. This is what Pete Schuman does and it's a back-up that will keep you attached to the glider. Or you can just hook the biner to connect the harness main and the parachute bridal. This keeps you attached to the chute in case your main biner fails.

Matthew

heaviek · Post by **heaviek** » Mon May 30, 2005 1:21 pm

A “massillion rapide” ?( I am spelling that wrong) can be found at a rock climbing shop or REI.? Small, out of the way, permenantly attached.? 2 carabineers can get a little complicated and that isn’t good.
?
http://www.rei.com/product/1026.htm?vcat=REI_SSHP_CLIMBING_TOC? there is also a nice triangular one that might fit in real nice.
?
Kev C

From: Matthew [mailto:adventuretales@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 5:39 PM
To: hg_forum@chgpa.org
Subject: harness Question

?
Shawn,

You can either--

A. Use two caribiners

or

B. Attach your harness main to you parchute bridle with a separate steel screw locking oval ring. You can pick these up at any hardware store and they are rated for 1000s of pounds of dynamic load. If you have a biner failure, your harness is then still attached to you parachute.

Matthew

Flying Lobster · Post by **Flying Lobster** » Mon May 30, 2005 3:03 pm

Definitely get the maillon rapide link. Made in France and much better quality than the hardware or marine store ones--which are rated for thousands of pounds but come with warnings not to hang human weight from them. Wonder why?

Post by **mcgowantk** » Mon May 30, 2005 4:28 pm

I understand that I am a minority of one, but I do use two biners.??I like some redundancy, even if it is a steel biner.? Although getting two unhooked is harder, I found that in a stress situation, I cannot undo one biner.? My plan is to climb out of the harness.? Anyway, most are comfortable with a single biner to hook in with.
?
Tom McGowan

Kevin <heaviek@yahoo.com> wrote:

A ?massillion rapide? ?( I am spelling that wrong) can be found at a rock climbing shop or REI.? Small, out of the way, permenantly attached.? 2 carabineers can get a little complicated and that isn?t good.
?
http://www.rei.com/product/1026.htm?vcat=REI_SSHP_CLIMBING_TOC? there is also a nice triangular one that might fit in real nice.
?
Kev C

From: Matthew [mailto:adventuretales@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 5:39 PM
To: hg_forum@chgpa.org (hg_forum@chgpa.org)
Subject: harness Question

?
Shawn,

You can either--

A. Use two caribiners

or

B. Attach your harness main to you parchute bridle with a separate steel screw locking oval ring. You can pick these up at any hardware store and they are rated for 1000s of pounds of dynamic load. If you have a biner failure, your harness is then still attached to you parachute.

Matthew

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Post by **mcgowantk** » Mon May 30, 2005 4:32 pm

To clarify on my earlier post, I run both biners through both the bridle and main.
?
Tom

hepcat1989 <hepcat88@innernet.net> wrote:

thanks, so if I use 2 biner's the one linking main, and bridle will be hanging lose? I mean not run to the hang strap. Shawn.

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mchevalier · Post by **mchevalier** » Mon May 30, 2005 7:18 pm

hepcat1989 wrote:

It's 10:30 or so, sse@3 rain coming in soon, so I'm going over my equipment. I look at my harness/ carabiner, and relize what would happen if your carabiner failed! My chute, and harness are linked by the carabiner. What would be the fix to link them together? Thanks, Shawn

You can hook a second biner from the hang strap to the chute riser.? If you didn't have that and the biner failed you would have only a few seconds to maybe a minute if you were really high to kiss your ass goodbye.????? MC

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