B. Hussein Obama is TOAST

[Marco Zee]

You heard it here first.....Barak Hussein Obama is TOAST.
With the brilliant selection of Sarah Palin, John McCain has galvanized and energized the GOP base, which will dramatically contribute towards another GOP Presidential victory this November.

Obama is simply an EMPTY SUIT that can read off of a teleprompter , who will soon become another "also-ran" in American history....a man of no substance or accomplishment whatsoever....but wasn't he a great community organizer?

http://www.nypost.com/seven/09042008/ne ... 127482.htm

Marco

[brianvh]

the main reason I like Palin is that she makes McCain feel that his conservative credentials have been certified, thus freeing him to return to his maverick self. I hated it when he was kow-towing to the republican base: boorring. And so wrong. With the original McCain back out of the closet things can get fun again.

If McCain's truly returned to acting like a free-thinker I'd be comfortable with either candidate in office.

I am concerned that Palin may unduly influence McCain while in office. On the other hand, I think Obama picked a perfect confidant in Biden, and they'd make a strong team.

[theflyingdude]

Just what we need - another bimbo in the White House.

[Matthew]

Speaking of empty suits, Marco, have you ponied up your CHGPA dues for your continued use of this bandwidth?

Matthew

[Flying Lobster]

You heard it here first.....Barak Hussein Obama is TOAST.
With the brilliant selection of Sarah Palin, John McCain has galvanized and energized the GOP base, which will dramatically contribute towards another GOP Presidential victory this November.

Obama is simply an EMPTY SUIT that can read off of a teleprompter , who will soon become another "also-ran" in American history....a man of no substance or accomplishment whatsoever....but wasn't he a great community organizer?

http://www.nypost.com/seven/09042008/ne ... 127482.htm

Marco

Somebody rattled the weasel's cage?

marc

[deveil]

obama toast?
based on obama's performance against mcCain in this debate, marco may be right.
(btw, the debate is still on and the commentary hasn't started yet, but i'm calling the winner to be mccain, and i never saw it coming)
garyDumbfounded

[brianvh]

I agree: Obama stuck to broad generalities, McCain was more often specific. Broad generalities this late in the game makes me uncomfortable.

[Paul Tjaden]

I dunno guys. CNN, which may be the only network which truly IS fair and balanced, had it 52% for Obama and 38% for McCain. Admittedly, this was a poll of people who actually watched the debate and more Democrats watched than Republicans. For what it's worth, McCain seems to be taking some heat for not ever actually looking at Obama and for scowling and looking and acting generally un-presedential. Perhaps the most telling thing was that McCain certainly didn't score a major victory and foreign policy is supposed to be his forte.

Paul

P.S. I like the idea that more Democrats watched. To me this means that the Democrats are more concerned and will have a higher voter turnout.

[Paul Tjaden]

Hey Marco.....So are you still fired up about Sarah? Check this out. http://news.aol.com/elections/article/p ... rns/192226 Even the Right Wingers are sorry now. Nice job, McCain. Shows great Presidential decision skills when you choose a fruitcake like Palin for a running mate.

Paul

[brianvh]

Palin is definitely becoming her second worst enemy. Her worst enemy is the cruelly accurate impersonation of her by Tina Fey. So pitch perfect you can't shake it out of your head...I don't think one could find a more sublime character assassin in the history of American Politics.

If the DNC paid to have those skits broadcast instead of Obama ads, that would pretty much wrap the campaign up.

[Gene]

Whenever a new Sheriff is coming to town, the fodder starts to fly and everybody is looking out for themselves. And all new Sheriffs have to learn the system. So they start out questioning and want the right answers. The Sheriff either cuts out the bad apples or becomes one.
And if you don't like the newly elected, run for office or leave (like many other people who made false promises). I think we need to have term limitations on the Senators and Representatives. And they should follow the same regulations/instructions for health and appearance as the military. Oh yeah, drugs too. Send them all to Leavenworth. My 2 cents.

[Marco Zee]

Are you kidding...Palin is the reason that McCain even has a chance to win the election. She helps with fiscal conservatives, social conservatives, younger voters, women (obviously), but especially working moms and soccer/basketball/hockey moms and jockettes across the country.
Conservatives have been very wary and suspicious of McCain for years, and many folks that I know were contemplating voting for Barr, or not voting at all.....this has all changed with the addition of Palin, who is drawing larger crowds than McCain at the rallies and reassuring the rank and file conservatives.

It is a shame that more dependable conservatives like Jeb Bush or Dick Cheney decided not to run in this election cycle. Even Colin Powell would have made for an intesting candidacy.

So us conservatives will support McCain "more enthusiastically" than before her selection, and will definitely turn out to vote against the ultra-liberal airhead twins of Hussein Obama and Joey Biden.

If you think Palin was a poor choice, who would you have recommended that McCain have chosen? Would they appeal to the constituencies mentioned above?

Brian, those SNL skits are funny, and even tho they parodied Gore unmercifully in 2000, Gore did receive more votes than GWB. Remember the lockbox?

Marco

[Gene]

Rice

[Joe Schad]

"...the ultra-liberal airhead twins of Hussein Obama and Joey Biden." Marco

Another example of "civil debate" by Republicans.

Joe

[Flying Lobster]

I agree: Obama stuck to broad generalities, McCain was more often specific. Broad generalities this late in the game makes me uncomfortable.

I watched both conventions in their entirety--it was the Republicans who dealt in vague generalities more than the Dems, Brian. Obama clearly outlined the primary points of his platform defined by targets for such things as energy independence and relief to taxpayers and a broader insurance program. Unlike McCain, Obama set specific timelines and measurable goal levels--thus committing himself to goals to which he would be accountable for within his term. I heard nothing but bullshit rhetoric from the Republican convention--grandios promises but nothing that their feet could be held to the fire on.

A new age Nazi convention with a touch of politically-correct porn endorsed by God--that's what I thought the Republican convention was all about.

marc

[Flying Lobster]

"...the ultra-liberal airhead twins of Hussein Obama and Joey Biden." Marco

Another example of "civil debate" by Republicans.

Joe

Not only that, but I find Marco's thinly-vieled racist referrence to Barak VERY offensive--especially since Marco himself is less than "a pure white American of good stock."

marc

[Flying Lobster]

...Oh yeah, drugs too. Send them all to Leavenworth. My 2 cents.

Already full--and costing taxpayers $55K per year per inmate.

good solution.

marc

[brianvh]

I agree: Obama stuck to broad generalities, McCain was more often specific. Broad generalities this late in the game makes me uncomfortable.

I watched both conventions in their entirety--it was the Republicans who dealt in vague generalities more than the Dems, Brian.

marc

Gary and I were referring to the debates, not the conventions, Marc. Whole different ball game. Obama 'acted' more presidential then McCain, but spouted more fluff. I agree the reverse was true at the conventions.

[deveil]

my take on who 'owned' the debate was my perception on how it played to the 'masses'. mcCain mainly stuck to tried and true proven rhetoric, he started out on the defensive but midway through things turned. obama spent all his time defending. mcCain would make some outrageous accusation or misrepresentation and obamama would go into long, detailed, specific and arcane defensive explanations. then mccain would turn around and use the same tactic all over again, merely shrugging off obama's charges. obama never caught on.
obama acted as though he were speaking at some formal college debate. he may have been polite and articulate but that's crazy stupid. shoot, at one time at the end mccain was ravaging him with a hodgepodge of of misrepresentations and obama actually raised his hand to the moderator asking permission to interrupt! What? it would have been Presidential if he'd just jumped mccain's shit.
most people don't have the time or inclination to read all the in depth analysis pieces. it really doesn't matter who was accurate or erudite, it's about how you make people feel about you, about how you look. not You per se, but the general electorate.
mccain was on the ropes Before he came in and obama let him off. mccain was the old hand, the old politico and those republican handlers know how to go about winning. Remember, gw bush won - Twice!
i'm so paranoid about their abilities that i half expect palin to beat up on biden!
garyD

[deveil]

And. don't overlook the fact that obama is black. Obama is a BLACKMAN running for president of a country where racism runs Deep.
people are looking for a reason To vote for mccain.
they're looking for a reason To Not vote for obama.
imho
garyD

[deveil]

remember when mccain lost some primaries in the south against bush because it was said that he had had a black baby?
well guess what? obama Does have black babies!
of course he could be in worse shape. he could have a White love child somewhere. hell, maybe that's going to be one of their tactics. . .
g

[deveil]

'course you don't see me on anyone's list of paid consultants. maybe obama thought he had to look particularly polished, polite and palatable. didn't want to seem too black. have the audience worry he might whip out knife and his posse would start a brawl and be raping white women and such. whoops, i may have started channeling Clevon Little (sp?) from blazing saddles there. or maybe chris rock.
but you get my point. maybe he felt he had to look whiter than john mccain - and That dude is pale. i'm talking ghostly. somebody give that man a transfusion!
the man comes with a Built in term limit. it's called a biological clock! he'll be lucky if he makes it through the inauguration and doesn't drop from natural causes!

[deveil]

uhh ohh. if one is going to peddle the republican bs , as mccain has been doing, one could do a lot worse than having palin at their back. she's got the stuff. the people she is actually making look the worst are the republicans who have come out against her. who would have thought.
the only hope for the dems is that the electorate doesn't lose track of what has happened over the last eight years, don't get lost in the smoke and mirrors. perhaps if the dem congress had done something substantial the last couple of years the lines of responsibility would be a little more distinct.
i'm just demoralized by how effective the republican party has become at playing the game. the parties all lie and spin, but these guys have got the formula down.
i just wish the dems would run against bush, run against the republican party. make mccain out to be one and the same, as he actually has been and is, his claims of being a maverick not withstanding. bush's numbers have been way low for a long time, so his diehard acolyte's belief in his godliness are really of no matter. they can worship him as much as they like. bush has lost the faith of those who'd initially been hoodwinked. so run against Him and his party. don't allow mccain to pretend that he's going to be anything than more of the same. biden has done it some, more than obama, but should do it more.
an aside: this moderator, also a woman in case one didn't notice (is this another first?), is doing a hell of a lot better job than a lot of the celebrity, self important major news names who have been moderators in the past.
garyD

[Marco Zee]

And. don't overlook the fact that obama is black. Obama is a BLACKMAN running for president of a country where racism runs Deep.
people are looking for a reason To vote for mccain.
they're looking for a reason To Not vote for obama.
imho
garyD

Gary,
In politics, there is something known as the Bradley Effect, which is named after the black LA Mayor who ran for Governor of CA. He was ahead by around 10 points in the days before the election, and ended up losing by around 10 points. All the pundits and pollsters were stunned at this "unexpected" result. How could the polls have been so wrong??? Upon further investigation, it was found that many voters, when contacted by phone by the polling firms, felt pressured to say that they were Pro-Bradley because they didn't want the pollster to believe they were prejudiced against blacks or against the "historic" first black Governor. So basically, they were lying to the pollsters !!!
Some pundits have compared Obama to Bradley, in that people are stating "on the phone" that they will support Obama, but may not when they enter the privacy of the polling booth.
As a McCain supporter, I am hoping that a Bradley/Obama effect is in play, and that Obama will earn the support of far fewer voters than the phone polls are indicating.
BTW, Wasn't Palin lovely, charming, and deadly? She is a rising star.
Marco

[Flying Lobster]

Marco says: ...Wasn't Palin lovely, charming, and deadly? She is a rising star.


Key strategic definable qualities for a possible president, eh?

barf bag please.

marc